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Re: Worst game settings

Postby swimmerdude99 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:16 am

I'll put one quick last word in, and that is that "fumbles" indicate to me a failure of focus and skill to KNOW what you need to do. if you KNOW what you need to do you're going to take the action necessary at all times. The "fumbles" you mentioned to me are people who just can't think on their feet. The analogy of a hard math problem comes to mind. You are playing a game and in 24 hour games you have minutes to hours to plan (if you are insane :P) and you have that much time with no variables changing. However in speed freestyle you have 1 minute (or whatever time limit) to play your turn ALONG with watching all the actions of the other players all at the same time. Its like doing the same type of complicated math problem, but now the variables change every 2 minutes if you don't complete it. So you have 100 people who could solve the problem, but it may take them up to a week to solve it. But you have an expert mathematician who solves it in a few minutes.

Thats kinda how I view it. Its similar gameplay but just harder to play freestyle cause you can't just take your old time, and all the variables are constantly changing on you.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:28 am

swimmerdude99 wrote:I'll put one quick last word in, and that is that "fumbles" indicate to me a failure of focus and skill to KNOW what you need to do. if you KNOW what you need to do you're going to take the action necessary at all times. The "fumbles" you mentioned to me are people who just can't think on their feet. The analogy of a hard math problem comes to mind. You are playing a game and in 24 hour games you have minutes to hours to plan (if you are insane :P) and you have that much time with no variables changing. However in speed freestyle you have 1 minute (or whatever time limit) to play your turn ALONG with watching all the actions of the other players all at the same time. Its like doing the same type of complicated math problem, but now the variables change every 2 minutes if you don't complete it. So you have 100 people who could solve the problem, but it may take them up to a week to solve it. But you have an expert mathematician who solves it in a few minutes.

Thats kinda how I view it. Its similar gameplay but just harder to play freestyle cause you can't just take your old time, and all the variables are constantly changing on you.


But you are speaking now of freestyle speed games but I wasn't sure we were discussing those in particular? I was under the impression that we were talking about fs vs. sequential and that crucial time where both players are turning more or less simultaneously.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby rhp 1 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:40 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
swimmerdude99 wrote:I'll put one quick last word in, and that is that "fumbles" indicate to me a failure of focus and skill to KNOW what you need to do. if you KNOW what you need to do you're going to take the action necessary at all times. The "fumbles" you mentioned to me are people who just can't think on their feet. The analogy of a hard math problem comes to mind. You are playing a game and in 24 hour games you have minutes to hours to plan (if you are insane :P) and you have that much time with no variables changing. However in speed freestyle you have 1 minute (or whatever time limit) to play your turn ALONG with watching all the actions of the other players all at the same time. Its like doing the same type of complicated math problem, but now the variables change every 2 minutes if you don't complete it. So you have 100 people who could solve the problem, but it may take them up to a week to solve it. But you have an expert mathematician who solves it in a few minutes.

Thats kinda how I view it. Its similar gameplay but just harder to play freestyle cause you can't just take your old time, and all the variables are constantly changing on you.


But you are speaking now of freestyle speed games but I wasn't sure we were discussing those in particular? I was under the impression that we were talking about fs vs. sequential and that crucial time where both players are turning more or less simultaneously.



oh wow... fs casual is a farming setting... if that's what you were referring to all along then... well... you win... swimmy and I (I'm pretty sure, though I don't mean to speak for you Swim) were always talking about speed fs... to put the fs setting on a casual game is like fucking through a sheet... there may be a place for it for some individuals, but I sure as hell don't get it..
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby swimmerdude99 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:33 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
swimmerdude99 wrote:I'll put one quick last word in, and that is that "fumbles" indicate to me a failure of focus and skill to KNOW what you need to do. if you KNOW what you need to do you're going to take the action necessary at all times. The "fumbles" you mentioned to me are people who just can't think on their feet. The analogy of a hard math problem comes to mind. You are playing a game and in 24 hour games you have minutes to hours to plan (if you are insane :P) and you have that much time with no variables changing. However in speed freestyle you have 1 minute (or whatever time limit) to play your turn ALONG with watching all the actions of the other players all at the same time. Its like doing the same type of complicated math problem, but now the variables change every 2 minutes if you don't complete it. So you have 100 people who could solve the problem, but it may take them up to a week to solve it. But you have an expert mathematician who solves it in a few minutes.

Thats kinda how I view it. Its similar gameplay but just harder to play freestyle cause you can't just take your old time, and all the variables are constantly changing on you.


But you are speaking now of freestyle speed games but I wasn't sure we were discussing those in particular? I was under the impression that we were talking about fs vs. sequential and that crucial time where both players are turning more or less simultaneously.


Oh heck no, that doesn't involve as much brain power as Speed freestyle. Casual freestyle is just who is on the site 24/7.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby coyotemojo on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:44 pm

What's wrong with farming? Is there some rule stating experienced players must not play games with inexperienced players?

At some point, even fs vets were rookies. In my opinion, the best way to learn games like this is by playing an accomplished player who is playing to win. After a few games the rookie should get seasoned and start to hold their own, not fall into the same traps, and/or make the same dumb mistakes.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby swimmerdude99 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:49 pm

coyotemojo wrote:At some point, even fs vets were rookies. In my opinion, the best way to learn games like this is by playing an accomplished player who is playing to win. After a few games the rookie should get seasoned and start to hold their own, not fall into the same traps, and/or make the same dumb mistakes.

This I agree with, the first part... farming is TARGETTING inexperienced players, thats not cool.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby coyotemojo on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:57 pm

I don't farm, personally. Just seemed like the earlier posts were trying to discredit experienced players playing inexperienced players. Seems difficult to "target" players anyway. Unless you invite them in to play, you have no control over who signs up for your game. And even then, it's not like you can hide your rank. Shouldn't take but a game or two to know/understand rank.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby ZeekLTK on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:58 am

I guess the only way I can say it is that you'll never find a top fs player who doesn't have some reasonable ability to play seq at a fairly high level... but you can find 1000's of seq players that have no ability whatsoever to play fs... of course this isn't scientific support for my argument, but it's definitely interesting.. no?


I think that's because EVERYONE starts out as a sequential player and then some choose to also learn to play freestyle while many do not. So of course all FS players are going to be good SEQ players, that's what they started as.

Is there anyone who came to this site without being well versed in Risk (a sequential game) and just started playing freestyle without bothering to play sequential? Seems very unlikely. Instead, everyone here enjoyed playing Risk, found an online version, and either continued to play "normal" (sequential) or branched out to other versions (freestyle).

If we are making analogies, it's like in sports - everyone might play soccer (for example) when they are younger. Then at some point, some people decide to play basketball instead. They still have their soccer fundamentals that they picked up, meaning they can continue to play soccer decently, but they've now developed skills at basketball as well. Meanwhile, the guys who continued to play soccer ONLY are very good soccer players, but they don't know how to play basketball. It doesn't mean basketball is any harder or that people who play basketball are better athletes than soccer players, it's just that EVERYONE (in this example) has soccer skills and only some people chose to develop basketball skills.

That's the same thing here. EVERYONE started out with sequential (original Risk), and only some learned freestyle.

I think if you could find a group of people who had NEVER played Risk (or similar sequential games) before and taught them how to play ONLY freestyle, and then eventually had them try to play a sequential game they would be just as bad at that as the "average" sequential player is at freestyle - because they wouldn't have the skills of predicting/planning for long term moves and whatnot, they would only know how to react and would get buried by players who have those abilities (aka most sequential players). But finding such a group of people to test that seems unlikely.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby Gabriel13 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:05 am

ZeekLTK wrote:
I guess the only way I can say it is that you'll never find a top fs player who doesn't have some reasonable ability to play seq at a fairly high level... but you can find 1000's of seq players that have no ability whatsoever to play fs... of course this isn't scientific support for my argument, but it's definitely interesting.. no?


I think that's because EVERYONE starts out as a sequential player and then some choose to also learn to play freestyle while many do not. So of course all FS players are going to be good SEQ players, that's what they started as.

Is there anyone who came to this site without being well versed in Risk (a sequential game) and just started playing freestyle without bothering to play sequential? Seems very unlikely. Instead, everyone here enjoyed playing Risk, found an online version, and either continued to play "normal" (sequential) or branched out to other versions (freestyle).

If we are making analogies, it's like in sports - everyone might play soccer (for example) when they are younger. Then at some point, some people decide to play basketball instead. They still have their soccer fundamentals that they picked up, meaning they can continue to play soccer decently, but they've now developed skills at basketball as well. Meanwhile, the guys who continued to play soccer ONLY are very good soccer players, but they don't know how to play basketball. It doesn't mean basketball is any harder or that people who play basketball are better athletes than soccer players, it's just that EVERYONE (in this example) has soccer skills and only some people chose to develop basketball skills.

That's the same thing here. EVERYONE started out with sequential (original Risk), and only some learned freestyle.

I think if you could find a group of people who had NEVER played Risk (or similar sequential games) before and taught them how to play ONLY freestyle, and then eventually had them try to play a sequential game they would be just as bad at that as the "average" sequential player is at freestyle - because they wouldn't have the skills of predicting/planning for long term moves and whatnot, they would only know how to react and would get buried by players who have those abilities (aka most sequential players). But finding such a group of people to test that seems unlikely.


I agree with the basketball soccer part, but the second part is not true at all.. I think any person who went from playing FS to playing seq would easily know how to play it. I am one of the few that started playing fs when I began this site. It only took until I received my premium.
(And too all the other people) Speed fs players are the most skilled on this site, as they can make moves in meer seconds, and can make plans as to what they are going to do as fast as they can. Connection speed doesn't count for shit. I have an extremely fast connection, and I have played on an even slower connection. Think about it this way.. Fast connection players can go from territory to territory in a second, sometimes less, but slow connection players can do this without making ANY mistakes. I personally think the fast connection is better for me, because I'm impatient, but some people don't like to make mistakes. Therefore, SPEED fs (MORE THAN 2 PLAYERS) takes more skill, while regular fs just means staying on the site all day.It's pretty much seq if neither of the players is on all day.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:20 am

Worst Game Settings:

Playing on LandGrab.

It is a piece of Grabastic amphibian...
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby rhp 1 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:57 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:But to come back to an earlier point, lets use an analogy so to ensure that no nerves are touched regarding the specific "freestyle" setting.
Let's say that I pick an unpopular map, let's say... Madness or something like that. Most of the time I set up a non-private game on that map it fills up with cooks, etc. and I end up crushing these players with ease. I can say "Is it my fault all these unskilled players joined my game?" but there comes a point where your conscience should kick in and ask "Is this really not farming?". It's one thing if you've got buddies or acquaintances whom you invite to your games where it's more or less an even playing field and everyone has a fair chance, but to continue setting up public games when, odds are, you aren't going to be challenged and will most likely get some easy points out of the deal certainly begs a question.



no "nerves" lol... but you need to specify the settings.... :)
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby rhp 1 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:01 pm

and I'm not sure what question you're begging... the basic argument is "I want to play this or that map on this or that setting"... you set, anyone can join, problem solved...

If anyone can join, it's not the job of the person creating to "police" who joins and who doesn't... people on here get real sensitive about points, rank, fairness (in their eyes)... it's a game and I would suggest a deep breath, a guinness, and to chill the f*ck out... but that's just me...
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