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A Lesson from Rock Face Climbers

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:01 am

A Lesson from Rock Face Climbers
by Viceroy63

The strategy proposed in this article is best applied to doubles game with 8 players and Trench Warfare settings. Although the principle can also be use in any type of double games. Realize also that all strategies are subject to actual game conditions and original drops.

There are basically three kinds of climbing; Slab, Vertical and Overhang climbing. Each one more difficult then the next because of the angle of inclination. Slab climbing is where the angle of inclination is less then 90 degrees allowing the climber to maintain his weight over his legs and basically using his arms for balance. In vertical climbing, the more popular form of climbing, the angle is more or less 90 degrees straight up and down. Indoor wall climbing is one of the most popular form of Vertical climbing. And the most difficult form of climbing is Overhang rock climbing. This type of climbing requires incredible upper body and arm strength.

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Photo from the Sylvester Stallone Movie, "Cliff Hanger."

But of all the types of climbing there is, the prolonged vertical cliff climb over a great height is the most dangerous of all requiring a team mate in order to insure safety from fatigue and falling. And here is where we begin our lesson for team games. The following is an excerpt describing Lead Climbing. It is a technique or Tactic, for Team climbing over great heights.

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Leader belays the second on Illusion Dweller in Joshua Tree National Park, USA

In lead climbing, one person, called the "leader," will climb from the ground up with a rope directly attached to his harness,and not through a top anchor. The second person, "belays" the leader by feeding out enough rope to allow upward progression without undue slack. As the leader progresses he clips the rope through intermediate points of protection such as active cams, or passive protection such as nuts; this limits the length of a potential fall. The leader also may clip into pre-drilled bolts.

Because the climbing rope is of a fixed length, the leader can only climb a certain distance. Thus longer routes are broken up into several "pitches"; this is called "multi-pitching". At the top of a pitch, the "leader" sets up an anchor and then belays the "second" up to the anchor; as the "second" follows the route taken by the "leader," the second removes the equipment placed along the way in order to use it again on the next "pitch." Once both are at the anchor, the "leader" begins climbing the next pitch and so on until the top is reached.

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_climbing#Rock_climbing_basics

In other words, one of the team climbers is actually climbing while the other is at rest or anchored. The one that is climbing is also securing hooks in the face of the cliff as he climbs to insure that should any of the team climbers lose their footing and falls, that they wont fall very far. One is the climber while the other is the anchor. Both can not be climbing and anchoring at the same time for then they both take the risk that neither of them would be a very secure anchor. In an unforeseen moment, both could fall down together, as a team, toward the cold hard earth below ending their climb if one of the two climbers is not a secured anchor. But both climb and reach the top together in a safe and secure manner, resting and climbing as they go taking turns doing each.

In team games, especially when there are four teams involved, this tactic can be utilized to insure the most optimum amount of success possible. This tactic is especially useful in Trench Warfare settings where the climbing and fighting is slow and difficult. The first member of the team helps the second member of the team to establish a position or foot hold or even a bonus zone by providing his extra troops to that member of the team and once that goal is achieved, the second player then becomes the anchor and simply holds position while the first player now climbs and expands in the number of regions that he possesses until he reaches a position where he can become the anchor once more holding position so that the second player can commence climbing and growing in regions again. And so it goes one player holding position and helping the team mate, while the other climbs and grows in regions and position. Then they exchange roles again back and fourth as necessary or until the game is won.

The actual game conditions may require that one player be the climber or fighter as the other props the fighter throughout the entire game. I like to refer to this as the Sword and the Shield. In these types of doubles games, the first player will prop the second player by providing his troops to the second player in order to maximize his attacks. This particular strategy is best played in no spoils game. But even in Spoils game there may arrive a point where one of the two may have to settle for holding position while Propping the second player for a prolonged period of time. It all depends on the actual game conditions. Just as the time may come when it is every player for himself when all the other teams are attacking from every angle. The game situation is what really determines the best course of actions.

But all things being equal, when you compare any kind of climbing and consider that you only use one arm and leg at a time in the process and apply that logic to double team games (Where the team is the body and the two players form the two sides of the body) then it only seems best that one of the team members hold on to the ladder (position) while the other team member reaches for the higher run of the ladder. For both arms or both partners in the team to be used at the same time to expand and gain regions simultaneously will incur certain risk and loss in efficiency and strength. This does not mean that both team members can not card on their turns, only that the fight for position and bonus zones should be done as a team coordinated effort and not as individual attempts. One of the team members need to be strong and getting stronger in order to help out the other team member to climb/fight as well. As both team members become stronger using this strategy, the team eventually gains the better position and the eventual win.

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Re: A Lesson from Rock Face Climbers

Postby Mr Changsha on Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:29 am

Quite right. I used the same strategy when i played 8 man dubs. We termed it 'double laying' and used it as the key part of the opening strategy in probably 90 percent of 8 man dubs games on 2.1.

It is of course also useful in trips and quads as well and should be seen as an integral part of general team game strategy.
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Re: A Lesson from Rock Face Climbers

Postby Viceroy63 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:31 am

I can see using "Double Laying" strategies in 3 player teams because I see three player teams like Dubs only with an extra player. LOL. But in four player teams it is in my opinion a weaker strategy then the let's call it, "The Point Man" Strategy where all the players focus on just one player in a crucial region and that player on his turn racks all kinds of havoc on opposing players. LOL. Most players would probably play three player teams like four because "TPM" is such a strong strategy. But I can see where "Double laying" can be useful especially in large maps where it could be beneficial to break the quad into two smaller sub teams still and one sub team would concentrate in one area the other sub team in another area of the game map.

Good terminology BTW; "Double laying" sound more like you are building something which is what you are in fact doing, in team games. Building and establishing force.
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Re: A Lesson from Rock Face Climbers

Postby fileokingsley on Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:36 pm

I also like the double laying strategy.

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Re: A Lesson from Rock Face Climbers

Postby Arama86n on Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:44 am

An interesting comparison. The text could be a little more on point but I see what you are saying and it is a valid point.
The first thing that came to mind was the Oblique Order, as made famous by the Theban General Epaminondas. In his famous battle against Sparta (The battle of Leuctra) he denied them his right wing (ie held it back) and vastly strengthening his left wing to meet their elite unites (traditionally always placed on the Right) head-on to achieve a breakthrough. This was later copied by Philip of Macadon, and later his son Alexander (the Great.)

It's not really the point your making perhaps, but using the same general theory.
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Re: A Lesson from Rock Face Climbers

Postby Viceroy63 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:40 pm

"It's not really the point your making perhaps, but using the same general theory."

Now that is actually very interesting. Because even real armies have to attack in coordinated assaults. Thus the right and left Flanks. And in the days of horse and canons there were also ranks. The point is that you just never send in your whole force in one concentrated effort because no one can foresee the actual future events of any battle outcome.

So you always plan for a possible withdrawal or contingencies with some portion of your army force or Flank or Rank of your forces. In the case of a withdrawal a portion of your force would provide cover while the rest of the force retreat to fall back positions. Once the fall back positions are reach they then change and provide cover so that those that were providing cover can also retreat to their fall back positions. That portion of the force that is providing cover can be liken to the anchor that is safely secured providing safety for the the rest of the force.

In the case of advancing in a successful attack, one portion of the force is drawing fire and engaging the enemy (being the anchor) while the Right or left Flank is advanced further into the enemy positions. Once the enemy has been outflanked and the troops are in position they then engage the enemy and force their army to engage them providing the opportunity for the other part of the army force to advance further into the enemy position as well. The principal is exactly the same whether advancing or retreating. It's almost like a dance. LOL.

Even in individual games in Conquer Club, you always want to hold back a certain portion of your troops for defense in prime regions so that you have an assaulting stack and a defending stack. If one should fail there is at least that other portion of your troops that may succeed. Thus the strategy of the stacks according to the SoC Training games. LOL.
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The battle of Leuctra

Postby Viceroy63 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:54 pm

You got me interested and I looked up The battle of Leuctra. I found a very interesting You Tube documentary about it. :)

I can relate that battle to the concept of attacking enemy stacks and BZ's (Bonus Zone's) before they do you the real damage. I see so many players stand toe to toe with very large numbers of troops not realizing that the first to strike with large numbers of troops gains the advantage in that attack.

That is what the thebans did basically. They hit the Spartans where they had their biggest Stack (on the Spartan right) because they understood that it was that stack that could do them the most damage. They ignored the rest of their allies knowing that once that stack was defeated the Spartan allies would be no real threat. :)
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