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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:57 am

I know this is a little late Rodion, but with regards to your A,B,C question, I still think it could very well be B or C, and really we haven't heard much from either A or B to either confirm or disprove them.

I'd also like to say that I can pray to Yog-Sothoth to ask for information but risk losing some sanity over it. I haven't done that because I'm a captive mind twice in a row, but I think the praying to Yog-Sothoth is a universal thing.

Also, with regards to a possible third person being captive minded, I would have to conclude that it failed. I'm only masoned with edoc and nobody else.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:35 pm

After Saf's last post, captive minds list is:

N1 - Lovo + PCM + ??? (not sure whether there was a 3rd captive mind or not)
N2 - Saf + PCM + Rodion
N3 - Saf + Edoc

@Kanin

Commander9 wrote:II) Granted, Kanin seems to have behaved rather oddly and I'm not completely sure of his logics behind some actions in the previous day, BUT I can confirm that at according to his abilities, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that he would be mafia or scum. Survivor/town are both possible. As of now, I believe that's enough.


@Vodean

I was asking Hippo if he had caught Nendreel in a lie. Now you're confirming it did happen. Care to provide evidence? And, like spiesr said, please make it a straight answer before people derp into prematurely ending the day (assuming it did not already happen).
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby thehippo8 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:35 pm

@Rodion - I appreciate the opportunity but I suspect that it would be more useful coming directly from Nendreel (who is either avoiding or busy). At any rate, he is not a concern to me at present.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:46 pm

Rodion wrote:After Saf's last post, captive minds list is:

N1 - Lovo + PCM + ??? (not sure whether there was a 3rd captive mind or not)
N2 - Saf + PCM + Rodion
N3 - Saf + Edoc

@Kanin

Commander9 wrote:II) Granted, Kanin seems to have behaved rather oddly and I'm not completely sure of his logics behind some actions in the previous day, BUT I can confirm that at according to his abilities, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that he would be mafia or scum. Survivor/town are both possible. As of now, I believe that's enough.


@Vodean

I was asking Hippo if he had caught Nendreel in a lie. Now you're confirming it did happen. Care to provide evidence? And, like spiesr said, please make it a straight answer before people derp into prematurely ending the day (assuming it did not already happen).


Don't you think if there was an anti-town lie, hippo would have said something?
Also, if Comm9 says Nendreel is town, why do you care about this contradiction so much? You know for a fact that there is a lot of confusion in this game, are you willing to just let it slide? Especially now that hippo has agreed to not push, I would think that you should be. But the damage is already done. You have front-and-centered nendreel, who is now likely a scum target.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:22 pm

You seem to want to sweep weird things under the rug too quickly.

We have 2 players showing issue with Nendreel, one of them claiming that he has lied (Vodean), while the other has merely suggested it (Hippo). Where there are lies, there are usually anti-town win conditions around (remember LAL?), and no matter how you slice it one of these 3 HAS to be a suspect. I just don't yet know which one, hence the questions.

Regarding your last sentence, Nendreel cannot be a scum target while scum thinks he has a decent shot at getting lynched (scum uses NKs to kill townies that are harder to mislynch), and if "A" says "B" lied, you don't waste your NK on that "B". That's pretty much the same logic on why I said you would not be N1 recruited, which you seemed to agree with.

Also, Commander never said Nendreel is town. Did you mean Kanin?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:27 pm

Edit: I don't know if there is a pro-town or an anti-town lie around (or even just a bigass misunderstanding). I don't even know if Hippo has the power to tell the difference between a pro-town or anti-town lie either. What I know is that something does not quite add up and I want to get to the bottom of this.

I also heavily dislike the fact you're getting in my way, Yoshi.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:30 pm

Rodion wrote:You seem to want to sweep weird things under the rug too quickly.

We have 2 players showing issue with Nendreel, one of them claiming that he has lied (Vodean), while the other has merely suggested it (Hippo). Where there are lies, there are usually anti-town win conditions around (remember LAL?), and no matter how you slice it one of these 3 HAS to be a suspect. I just don't yet know which one, hence the questions.

Regarding your last sentence, Nendreel cannot be a scum target while scum thinks he has a decent shot at getting lynched (scum uses NKs to kill townies that are harder to mislynch), and if "A" says "B" lied, you don't waste your NK on that "B". That's pretty much the same logic on why I said you would not be N1 recruited, which you seemed to agree with.

Also, Commander never said Nendreel is town. Did you mean Kanin?


Ok, I guess the real answer is halfway between here. I am not sure where I read that nendreel was town by comm9, I think I had nendreel and Kanin mistaken.

Also, I don't think that nendreel is a likely target for a lynch, but maybe the mafia thinks otherwise.

Finally, I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that vodean was just referencing hippo's distrust and your pushing, rather than additional information.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Nendreel on Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:17 pm

Vodean doesn't have any information on me, he's just bandwagoning.
I suspect the discrepancy Hippo is talking about is over the human/Human thing. I can explain that with a claim. And no Comm9 has never mentioned my alignment before.

Obviously if enough people think I've been anti-town I'll make a full claim. Considering all the votes tied up on ghostly, I'll make the claim if enough people just ask.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:48 pm

I don't think that would be appropriate. I'd rather see them (Hippo/Vodean) making their accusations in a clear manner first and you claiming after that (if needed) than seeing you claim to rebuke accusations that are poorly formulated/explained as of now.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:56 pm

pancakemix wrote:They can work together if he asks about a mechanic that wouldn't apply to him or doesn't use said mechanic.

He cannot be part of Commander's group because he was a captive mind.


That would be true.

N1 - Lovo + PCM (masoned)
N2 - Saf + PCM + Rodion (masoned)
N3 - Saf + Edoc (masoned)

This would be the correct order of succesful captive minds. This does not necessarily reflect all the actions we have taken as some of the inhabitations have not been succesful.

Rodion wrote:I don't know whether the failed possession on Strike made one of them powerless for the day or whether they got to keep their previous body (which would explain someone still inhabiting Saf). Depending on the mechanics, the N3 ??? can be a failed attempt on Strike Wolf or an unknown player.

I guessed alien because /'s PM releasing me from being a captive mind mentioned an alien city.

Guys, if Ghostly has not yet been hammered, could you please not rush the lynch? There are a lot of things that should be discussed. We don't want people dying N4 without releasing valuable information because some people rushed the hammer. Examples of things I'd like to discuss today are:

1 - Did Hippo catch Nendreel lying?
2 - If Vodean knew Ghostly's alignment due to his night action, how come didn't Vodean vote Ghostly? The no vote actually made me think Vodean was guessing/deducting Ghostly's WC, as someone with clear evidence of a lie would have posted something like this:
"My NA revealed Ghostly's WC is not survivor (he has to kill whatever in order to win). Ghostly lied. LAL. Vote Ghostly."
In the end, Ghostly confessed and everything is going to end up well, but I still want to understand if Vodean used a NA in order to catch Ghostly and, if so, why didn't he vote Ghostly in his last post.
3 - The end of Vodean's PR also bugs me. He went insane for asking a mid-tier question (track) and then got cured after asking the riskiest one (cop)? Wasn't his PR permanent, unlike Jonty's?
4 - How did Commander know Kanin's abilities if his mind was never captured?


I already confirmed that Strike was indeed target (I'm pretty sure that I did, at least) and we have failed as he died. Yes, we are not humans - we are indeed aliens. I could provide the name, if necessary, but I honestly see no need for it or how it would change anything.

1. I'm torn about this one - but it does seem so.
2. Playing cautiously and afraid that people won't trust him?
3. I do agree about this one - it definitely seems odd. There is a remote possibility that he would be one of the 3rd group of Gods and he would be trying to get rid of rival factions, but there is no evidence but speculation and WIFOM.
4. Who said we didn't use the actions of people while in their bodies? ;)

@ Nendreel

Commander never said he was town ;)

Rodion wrote:I don't think that would be appropriate. I'd rather see them (Hippo/Vodean) making their accusations in a clear manner first and you claiming after that (if needed) than seeing you claim to rebuke accusations that are poorly formulated/explained as of now.


The current way to get scum seems to target a person nearly blindly and just pressure, pressure and then pressure some more with hopes of hitting the right target.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby / on Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:52 pm

Vote count

ghostly447: 10 votes: DoomYoshi, jak111, pancakemix, new guy1, thehippo8, rishaed, thechuck51, Iron Butterfly, betiko, jonty125

That's a lynch, scene later.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:25 pm

Saf/PCM: answer to that thing we've been discussing is C. I thought one of you had the answer because I hadn't. It turns out / corrected a PM he had sent me and I was the one with the answer to that particular doubt.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:47 pm

Rodion wrote:Saf/PCM: answer to that thing we've been discussing is C. I thought one of you had the answer because I hadn't. It turns out / corrected a PM he had sent me and I was the one with the answer to that particular doubt.


Would you guys care to indulge us as well?... I don't see how being secretative is to town's favour and I would be curious to know (as I'm sure others are) to what exactly you are talking about.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:16 pm

We were talking about who your 2 buddies were. We know. =]

I decided not to out them because I'd rather see you keep feeding us info about possible anti-town players.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:22 pm

Rodion wrote:We were talking about who your 2 buddies were. We know. =]

I decided not to out them because I'd rather see you keep feeding us info about possible anti-town players.


Fair enough. One should not be too difficult to deduce, although I am curious how you found the other (assuming you got it right)... But we'll see.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:18 pm

Before night falls: Rodion didn't target anyone last night. I learned this from my captive state.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby spiesr on Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:35 pm

pancakemix wrote:Before night falls: Rodion didn't target anyone last night. I learned this from my captive state.
This info was revealed to you as a side effect of you being captive? Because we can already deduce as much from him being captive on Day 3.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:56 pm

When I got released from the captive mind status, / PMed me a name. It was the name of that one I had already deduced (let's call him #2), saying he did not have a vote for the day (later on I would conclude this happened due to SW's failed possession) . I then imagined either Saf or PCM would have gotten your name upon release and the other would have gotten A/B/C (that's why I asked them those questions). When / said Ghostly was lynched, I PMed him noting that #2 (who's in Ghostly's BW) should not have a vote since SW's possession failed. He then corrected his PM, saying he should not have mentioned #2, but C.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:00 pm

spiesr wrote:
pancakemix wrote:Before night falls: Rodion didn't target anyone last night. I learned this from my captive state.
This info was revealed to you as a side effect of you being captive? Because we can already deduce as much from him being captive on Day 3.


Yes. I got a track on hippo the night before, so I guess I'm just getting random tracks. And either I'm the only one getting them or the others aren't telling.

Now that I think about it, LoVo did mention something about a one-shot track...
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:01 pm

Fastposted. Seems rodion did get some info. Saf did you get anything? Did I just miss it?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:23 pm

My suspicions are that Saf got no info as he was not released from his captive status (the info I got was from the same message that stated I was "free"). It seems, however, that no PM ever mentioned who had captured you, PCM?

I got no 1-shot powers.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:31 pm

Rodion wrote:My suspicions are that Saf got no info as he was not released from his captive status (the info I got was from the same message that stated I was "free"). It seems, however, that no PM ever mentioned who had captured you, PCM?

I got no 1-shot powers.


I'm completely derping here. Comm's WC was me. I thought I had gotten the hippo track for some reason.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby / on Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:40 am

The final Elder Thing of the group knew it had to keep the Necronomicon away from the waiting sealed Gods. It dove into the sea, on a line back to the Elder Thing’s deep hideaway, passing above the city of Y'ha-nthlei, the creature is swarmed by the Deep One inhabitants,fulfilling the bidding of The Great Cthulhu. Familiar with the attacks and tactics of the anphibous minons of Father Dagon and Mother Hydra, the elder thing surfaces to the air.
The elder thing was fast, but even it could not see the flying monstrosity that in a blink of an eye tore through its wings and sent it barreling back towards the shore.
Helpless, and in the center of the convergence of Human, Byakhee, and Deep One,the Elder thing resigned itself to its fate.

Once again the prized Necronomicon would be claimed.

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Night Four

Postby / on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:37 am

Sorry that I've been late with some of the scenes and stuff, you wouldn't believe how insane this game has been, I've received 174 PMs concerning this game so far, and I've had to send a heck of a lot too.
I'm writing the scene now.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Night Four

Postby / on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:05 am

There were many attempted kills that night, some succeeded, some failed, one in particular had a very bad ending. A human, at least someone who appeared to be a human, stabbed another human in the chest. Waiting, hidden close by was a doctor, this was not any ordinary doctor, he dragged the body away, making certain his patient was fully dead. He and his collegue worked well into the night, testing another batch of their reanimation formula. It moved, mindless, trashing about in a fit. Once again a failure.

They shot the creature, killing it once more and buried it out in the Potter's Field, but it would rise again later that night...

The ephemeral wailing of a alien orchestra quickly filled the air, luring once again a victim to meet the horrible visages of Nyarlathotep. It opened up a portal to show them the abomination of Demon Sultan Azathoth, and once more took a victim for its cause.

Another murder occurred that night, the killer stalking his victim before shooting him in the back, quickly running away afterwards.

The flying and swimming minions continued their search, this time for the the book's new holder.

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