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Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:31 pm

A quick google search will bring up tons of articles and other websites about it. And most of it seems to be coming from the same people that are conservative, Obama/Democrat hating (note: I tolerate other people's beliefs and despise most politicians in general), and members of the so-called Tea-Party. Basically the same ones that say liberals and/or Democrats hate the US. So, apparently they love the US so much they no longer wish to be a part of it. And so far, 700,000 people nation wide have signed these.

What the hell is going on in this country!?
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:36 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:A quick google search will bring up tons of articles and other websites about it. And most of it seems to be coming from the same people that are conservative, Obama/Democrat hating (note: I tolerate other people's beliefs and despise most politicians in general), and members of the so-called Tea-Party. Basically the same ones that say liberals and/or Democrats hate the US. So, apparently they love the US so much they no longer wish to be a part of it. And so far, 700,000 people nation wide have signed these.

What the hell is going on in this country!?


Everyone's just sick of Wisconsin.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:06 pm

bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Exactly. Two thirds of the tax revenue comes from Blue States.

At least the Red States have over 80% of the obesity in the country. They always have that to fall back on.
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Postby Phatscotty on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:12 pm

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bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Exactly. Two thirds of the tax revenue comes from Blue States.

At least the Red States have over 80% of the obesity in the country. They always have that to fall back on.


What does any of that have to do with freedom? It goes also as obvious that red states probably have less regulations, IE less need to take money from the people. It's called smaller government .

Also, blue states did not create all the federal jobs that are in their states. They shouldn't get credit for going spread eagle over every federal dollar that comes their way? They just have their hands out the furthest

Sounds like what you are saying is that blue states have the highest tax rates. Interesting way to twist the perspective into "blue states pay the most".

Good for you blue states. You pay the most into a system that wastes your hard earned money on Guantanamo Bay, or worse uses it to bribe warlords and dictators and torture people in CIA prisons.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby notyou2 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:21 pm

I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:26 pm

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


...and maybe American's don't like being herded over financial cliffs...

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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Nobunaga on Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:19 pm

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


And there it is. Classic. When an administration has nothing, and I mean nothing to redeem itself, play the race card and hope the critics are pussies.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby tj755 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:26 pm

I say let them go. Take all the crackpots who want to secede, regardless of what state they live in, and ship them all to Gitmo. I hear it's sunny and warm there. :twisted:

Here's a nice article about it: http://www.ydr.com/mike/ci_22004296/mik ... cede-texas
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:30 pm

Bones2484 wrote:Exactly. Two thirds of the tax revenue comes from Blue States.


Does two thirds of the tax revenue come from Democrats?
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby GreecePwns on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:57 am

I say let 'em go. Why should anyone force them to be a part of the country?

Besides, the breakup of America has many drastic foreign policy implications which can only be good for world peace.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Night Strike on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:07 am

bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby chang50 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:25 am

Night Strike wrote:
bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


As shallow as generations of slave owners in your country..
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Night Strike on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:29 am

chang50 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


As shallow as generations of slave owners in your country..


We currently live in the 21st century, not the 19th century. None of us today are responsible for the actions that took place then, yet the people who continue to blame every disagreement with Obama as being due to race are completely responsible for their own racist views.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby MegaProphet on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:43 am

Night Strike wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


As shallow as generations of slave owners in your country..


We currently live in the 21st century, not the 19th century. None of us today are responsible for the actions that took place then, yet the people who continue to blame every disagreement with Obama as being due to race are completely responsible for their own racist views.

I don't think that everyone who wants to secede only wants to secede because Obama is black, but you also can't deny that there are quite a few who base at least some their politics off of racism.
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Postby thegreekdog on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:23 am

Does the map include racist tweets with respect to Obama, or also racist tweets with respect to Romney?
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Postby MegaProphet on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:37 am

thegreekdog wrote:Does the map include racist tweets with respect to Obama, or also racist tweets with respect to Romney?

I believe the map only includes racist tweets directed toward Obama and not prejudice tweets directed toward Romney.

Edit: Here's an explanation of the map from the website that created it
http://www.floatingsheep.org/2012/11/fa ... ponse.html
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Postby Frigidus on Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:49 pm

I wish they'd just hurry up and secede. See you, good luck, please hand over our nuclear weapons on the way out!
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:57 pm

MegaProphet wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Does the map include racist tweets with respect to Obama, or also racist tweets with respect to Romney?

I believe the map only includes racist tweets directed toward Obama and not prejudice tweets directed toward Romney.

Edit: Here's an explanation of the map from the website that created it
http://www.floatingsheep.org/2012/11/fa ... ponse.html


Thanks.

I'm a bit confused by the following two statements:

The 395 tweets mentioned are the number of geocoded tweets referencing the given keywords from November 1 until November 7 at approximately 4:00 pm EST. This is NOT a sample, but the total population of geocoded tweets that matched our search criteria as outlined in the post. Geocoded tweets make up a tiny fraction of overall Twitter activity (could be as large as 5% or as small as less than 1%), so the actual number of tweets referencing these keywords is likely much, much larger, though we are not sure as to this number.


Finally, if this is your first response to our map, and not “that’s really f---ed up!”, then we probably have more important issues to deal with than the minutiae of our methodology. Though we endorse neither hatred, discrimination or violence against anyone, we refuse to acknowledge the equivalence of the terms being used to describe President Obama and Mitt Romney.


I don't think 395 tweets over a 6 day period is something that would make me say "that's really fucked up."
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Postby Army of GOD on Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:10 pm

I feel like the distinction between racism against two different races is helping out racism as a whole. Isn't that in and of itself racism?
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Postby Army of GOD on Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:16 pm

Anyway, not that it'll ever happen because I'm sure Texas is a cashcow for the US and they'll never give it up, never gonna let it down, but it would surely be interesting if they tried.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:50 pm

MegaProphet wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


As shallow as generations of slave owners in your country..


We currently live in the 21st century, not the 19th century. None of us today are responsible for the actions that took place then, yet the people who continue to blame every disagreement with Obama as being due to race are completely responsible for their own racist views.

.....but you also can't deny that there are quite a few who base at least some their politics off of racism.


Happens here all the time.
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ooh! Another one!
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby notyou2 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:57 pm

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bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


How shallow are you in believing that Obama wasn't born in America......or is the real reason the colour of his skin and his racial heritage???
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:13 pm

and there's one who's politics are dependent on birtherism and racism
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