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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby notyou2 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:25 pm

There was a president that it is strongly believed that he was born in Quebec, but it ain't Obama.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Night Strike on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:25 pm

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bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


How shallow are you in believing that Obama wasn't born in America......or is the real reason the colour of his skin and his racial heritage???


Considering I don't believe he was born in another country, what other false premises do you have to base YOUR beliefs on?
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby notyou2 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:27 pm

Night Strike wrote:
notyou2 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


How shallow are you in believing that Obama wasn't born in America......or is the real reason the colour of his skin and his racial heritage???


Considering I don't believe he was born in another country, what other false premises do you have to base YOUR beliefs on?


Really? You weren't one of the birthers from 4 years back?
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Night Strike on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:32 pm

notyou2 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
notyou2 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


How shallow are you in believing that Obama wasn't born in America......or is the real reason the colour of his skin and his racial heritage???


Considering I don't believe he was born in another country, what other false premises do you have to base YOUR beliefs on?


Really? You weren't one of the birthers from 4 years back?


No. I believe he should have shown his birth certificate, just like he should have shown all the other past records that he has refused to show, but that doesn't mean I believe he was born elsewhere. He did however spend a lot of his young years in Indonesia as well as learning about an idealized father who hated capitalism (under the guise of hating colonialism), which is why he grew up having desires of "fundamentally transforming" the US.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby karel on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:58 pm

if they want to go,f*ck them,good bye,we did not like ur state anyways,little piss ants
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby notyou2 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:03 pm

Where did you get the part about "desires to fundamentally transform the US"? Reference please.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:09 pm

notyou2 wrote:Where did you get the part about "desires to fundamentally transform the US"? Reference please.




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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Maugena on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:32 pm

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I was expecting him to be pro-secession. I got him pegged wrong.
In fact, I actually agree with what he's saying. It is idiocy. Channel your frustration in a more productive manner.
A stunt like this is pointless.
It's also pretty funny to note that they seem to think they're being courageous and Beck is being a coward.
I don't follow their delusional train of thought in the slightest.
notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like a black man as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.

Black is the politically correct term. Not African American. You had it in the first sentence, not sure why not the second.
Just a general statement here, but anyone that disagrees: What should we call you? British American? German American? You probably don't do that for whites, so why do that for blacks?
chang50 wrote:As shallow as generations of slave owners in your country..

Slavery has been a part of every culture and still is, unfortunately.
Night Strike wrote:None of us today are responsible for the actions that took place then, yet the people who continue to blame every disagreement with Obama as being due to race are completely responsible for their own racist views.

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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:40 pm

Maugena wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:

I was expecting him to be pro-secession. I got him pegged wrong.
In fact, I actually agree with what he's saying. It is idiocy. Channel your frustration in a more productive manner.
A stunt like this is pointless.
It's also pretty funny to note that they seem to think they're being courageous and Beck is being a coward.
I don't follow their delusional train of thought in the slightest.
notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like a black man as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.

Black is the politically correct term. Not African American. You had it in the first sentence, not sure why not the second.
Just a general statement here, but anyone that disagrees: What should we call you? British American? German American? You probably don't do that for whites, so why do that for blacks?
chang50 wrote:As shallow as generations of slave owners in your country..

Slavery has been a part of every culture and still is, unfortunately.


HAHA! At least you caught it. Which means you watched it. Kudos. I was certain someone would be all over it like "crazy glenn beck leading the secession movement!"

btw, notyou2 and company are always bringing race into it, exactly the way you would expect a racist to. Everything revolves around race. The first thing they think about, the first filter they use, race is the automatic go to presmise.

The racism is literal and blatant.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:35 am

Night Strike wrote:
notyou2 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
notyou2 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
bedub1 wrote:If they secede, the US won't have as large of a financial problem anymore, as the states that want to secede take in more tax revenue from the blue states then they give back.

The governors of these states know they are welfare states, sucking on the teet of the federal government, so there is no way they will ever secede.


Then why are all the blue states massively in debt?

And most of the money to red states is mandated by the federal government, not because those citizens actually want the government's handouts.

notyou2 wrote:I believe most of them can't stand the thought of another 4 years of a black man as president. It's not that they hate democrats, or liberals, they don't like an African American as their commander in chief. They are behaving like the whiny child, a bunch of spoiled brats and sore losers.


How shallow are your beliefs that you would care about the color of a person's skin over the content of their character or the policy positions they take?


How shallow are you in believing that Obama wasn't born in America......or is the real reason the colour of his skin and his racial heritage???


Considering I don't believe he was born in another country, what other false premises do you have to base YOUR beliefs on?


Really? You weren't one of the birthers from 4 years back?


No. I believe he should have shown his birth certificate, just like he should have shown all the other past records that he has refused to show, but that doesn't mean I believe he was born elsewhere. He did however spend a lot of his young years in Indonesia as well as learning about an idealized father who hated capitalism (under the guise of hating colonialism), which is why he grew up having desires of "fundamentally transforming" the US.


The biggest supporters of birtherism are the Liberals and Progressives. They use it to ridicule their opposition....the mark of a winner, and right out of Socialist Saul Alinsky's playbook.

I think Obama should have shown it just to shut people up, why let it drag on for years like that? Oh, right, because Obama views the controversy as a positive.....and sandbagging his birth certificate for 2 years was just a calculated political maneuver.

Obama was a citizen of Indonesia at one time though. That is a fact and cannot be denied. And that fact, no matter the reason or who's fault it was, adds to the confusion. Throw in his foreign scholarship he got to get into Occidental, and his name which translates "blessed one" in Arabic, throw in he gave up his Americanized name of "Barry" and chose his Muslim name around the same time he says he "found Christ".....you got yourself reasons for suspicion. Not that I suspect he isn't an American, but I understand the confusion. It's the bootlickers who ignore everything, and just take an elitist silver tongued Ivy-league educated 1%'er lawyer with political ambitions and a propensity to flip positions back and forth, who take Obama's word as gospel.

The simple truth is many people have a hard time believing Obama is an American because he is so anti-American in thought and action. He doesn't give a crap about the Constitution, Liberty, Freedom, and he attacks and ridicules the people who do give a crap about the Constitution, Liberty, and Freedom. Only people immersed in the counter culture are unable to see this, and that's why people who hate America the most all around the world are Obama's biggest supporters. They support him because they know he will weaken and bankrupt America.

Look at what is going on in the Middle East immediately after the election. Al-qada and Islamic extremists, upon seeing Obama re-elected, got the message loud and clear. "Green light to attack Israel" As if Obama's actions of supporting the uprisings in any country that was at peace with Israel, and remaining silent about the uprisings in countries hostile towards Israel, was not enough to show that when he speaks about being Israels biggest supporter and having Israel's back, he is just showing off his "flexibility"

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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:17 am

Ooh, is this the thread where I can be all hipster and be like, "pfft, Oregon's wanted to secede for years before it was cool," eh?

GreecePwns wrote:I say let 'em go. Why should anyone force them to be a part of the country?

Besides, the breakup of America has many drastic foreign policy implications which can only be good for world peace.


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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby greenoaks on Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:24 am

ok, back on topic

i remember hearing in a show about Texas how they were a separate country & they chose to join the US. however there is nothing in the Constitution that would allow them to leave, let alone any other state.

is this true?
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Night Strike on Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:48 am

greenoaks wrote:ok, back on topic

i remember hearing in a show about Texas how they were a separate country & they chose to join the US. however there is nothing in the Constitution that would allow them to leave, let alone any other state.

is this true?


Yes, Texas was its own country after it broke away from Mexico prior to joining the US. In order to become a state, the territory must set up a representative democracy for the state government and ratify the Constitution. Neither becoming a state nor dissolving as a state-member of the US are outlined in the Constitution. Theoretically, all a state would have to do is vote to withdraw its consent to be governed by the federal government and to un-ratify the Constitution. The states formed the federal government; the federal government did NOT form the states.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:55 am

Night Strike wrote:Theoretically, all a state would have to do is vote to withdraw its consent to be governed by the federal government and to un-ratify the Constitution. The states formed the federal government; the federal government did NOT form the states.


Texas tried that once. It did not work out so well for them.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby stahrgazer on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:05 pm

Night Strike wrote:No. I believe he should have shown his birth certificate, just like he should have shown all the other past records that he has refused to show, but that doesn't mean I believe he was born elsewhere. He did however spend a lot of his young years in Indonesia as well as learning about an idealized father who hated capitalism (under the guise of hating colonialism), which is why he grew up having desires of "fundamentally transforming" the US.


He SHOWED his birth certificate, the only one allowed to be given out per Hawaii (A STATE) laws.

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Night Strike wrote:Theoretically, all a state would have to do is vote to withdraw its consent to be governed by the federal government and to un-ratify the Constitution. The states formed the federal government; the federal government did NOT form the states.


Texas tried that once. It did not work out so well for them.


A group of states tried it too... a REPUBLICAN refused them the "right" to secede.
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:10 pm

stahrgazer wrote:A group of states tried it too... a REPUBLICAN refused them the "right" to secede.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White
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Re: Now people are wanting their states to secede.

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:13 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:A group of states tried it too... a REPUBLICAN refused them the "right" to secede.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White


I'm embarrassed I couldn't remember the name of that case. It was a good one and a great example of judicial activism.
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