The Men Who Built America (History Channel Series..lol)

[Phatscotty]

I might watch it, but I rather see the Story of All of Us

Indeed that's the story of every country, the story of all of us.

Every country has held slaves and battled with indiginous peeps.

Some more than others.

In any case, the indiginous peeps in our case, were more slaughtered by the black plague than they were us. As in all other countries with "indiginous peeps" they would most likely have a massive presence, if not have kept the invaders out, if it were not for the plague having something like an 80% mortality rate with Native Americans.

By the way phatty...the use of the phrase; "battled with indiginous peeps"... makes you a POS

I hope you someday get to be that type of peep.

You nail why I fear "Progressives"....

hmm, others? Which countries handled their slavery issue within their first born generation?

And a follow up question. When in history has the loser of a war or battle been treated like the winner? You do understand the Indians lost the battles, right? You do understand that throughout most of world history, the losers were enslaved and murdered, right?

And why are you snarling at me all the time lately? Is it really because I used the word peeps instead of peoples?

[Phatscotty]

[Symmetry]

Personal Anecdote- my first year living in the US. Weird confrontation in the cafeteria:

Student: America never lost a war!
Symmetry: Well, there was Vietnam.
Student: That wasn't a war.
Symmetry: I visited the memorial last week.
Student: [To entire cafeteria] Symmetry just said America is a loser!

LATER

[Symmetry picks chewing gum out of hair, notes that humiliating defeat in Vietnam is uncomfortable to people who chew gum]

[Phatscotty]

Personal Anecdote- my first year living in the US. Weird confrontation in the cafeteria:

Student: America never lost a war!
Symmetry: Well, there was Vietnam.
Student: That wasn't a war.
Symmetry: I visited the memorial last week.
Student: [To entire cafeteria] Symmetry just said America is a loser!

LATER

[Symmetry picks chewing gum out of hair, notes that humiliating defeat in Vietnam is uncomfortable to people who chew gum]

Why the hell are you posting that bullshit story here?

[Symmetry]

Personal Anecdote- my first year living in the US. Weird confrontation in the cafeteria:

Student: America never lost a war!
Symmetry: Well, there was Vietnam.
Student: That wasn't a war.
Symmetry: I visited the memorial last week.
Student: [To entire cafeteria] Symmetry just said America is a loser!

LATER

[Symmetry picks chewing gum out of hair, notes that humiliating defeat in Vietnam is uncomfortable to people who chew gum]

Why the hell are you posting that bullshit story here?

Is this not the thread for vague anecdotes about macho American dudes?

[AAFitz]

I might watch it, but I rather see the Story of All of Us

Indeed that's the story of every country, the story of all of us.

Every country has held slaves and battled with indiginous peeps.

Some more than others.

In any case, the indiginous peeps in our case, were more slaughtered by the black plague than they were us. As in all other countries with "indiginous peeps" they would most likely have a massive presence, if not have kept the invaders out, if it were not for the plague having something like an 80% mortality rate with Native Americans.

By the way phatty...the use of the phrase; "battled with indiginous peeps"... makes you a POS

I hope you someday get to be that type of peep.

You nail why I fear "Progressives"....

hmm, others? Which countries handled their slavery issue within their first born generation?

And a follow up question. When in history has the loser of a war or battle been treated like the winner? You do understand the Indians lost the battles, right? You do understand that throughout most of world history, the losers were enslaved and murdered, right?

And why are you snarling at me all the time lately? Is it really because I used the word peeps instead of peoples?

No, dont worry, Im not that pettty. I assure you, its based on a complete lack of respect for your lack of character. Using peeps instead of peeps is just another in a long list of examples.

As far as answering your questions goes: You know those are rhetorical questions right?

[AAFitz]

Personal Anecdote- my first year living in the US. Weird confrontation in the cafeteria:

Student: America never lost a war!
Symmetry: Well, there was Vietnam.
Student: That wasn't a war.
Symmetry: I visited the memorial last week.
Student: [To entire cafeteria] Symmetry just said America is a loser!

LATER

[Symmetry picks chewing gum out of hair, notes that humiliating defeat in Vietnam is uncomfortable to people who chew gum]

Why the hell are you posting that bullshit story here?

[Phatscotty] Why the hell are you posting th[ose countless] bullshit stor[ies] here?

[Phatscotty]

I might watch it, but I rather see the Story of All of Us

Indeed that's the story of every country, the story of all of us.

Every country has held slaves and battled with indiginous peeps.

Some more than others.

In any case, the indiginous peeps in our case, were more slaughtered by the black plague than they were us. As in all other countries with "indiginous peeps" they would most likely have a massive presence, if not have kept the invaders out, if it were not for the plague having something like an 80% mortality rate with Native Americans.

By the way phatty...the use of the phrase; "battled with indiginous peeps"... makes you a POS

I hope you someday get to be that type of peep.

You nail why I fear "Progressives"....

hmm, others? Which countries handled their slavery issue within their first born generation?

And a follow up question. When in history has the loser of a war or battle been treated like the winner? You do understand the Indians lost the battles, right? You do understand that throughout most of world history, the losers were enslaved and murdered, right?

And why are you snarling at me all the time lately? Is it really because I used the word peeps instead of peoples?

No, dont worry, Im not that pettty. I assure you, its based on a complete lack of respect for your lack of character. Using peeps instead of peeps is just another in a long list of examples.

As far as answering your questions goes: You know those are rhetorical questions right?

dodge. If your post is going to basically say nothing, why even post? (other than a vague attack on my character) Just get some perspective is all. You continually cram the history of America into the lens of 2012. It's a Progressive trait.

cracking yourself up a lot today eh?

I always use the word peeps.

We the Peeps!

[Symmetry]

I know why you stalk me....

That's gonna need a bit of elaboration. Creepy wall posts doesn't quite cut it. Especially if you're going for the "I'm ignoring you" schtick.

[Phatscotty]

Just realized something else too. All these men who built America and brought us railroads, steel, electricity, modern finance, oil, the automobile etc etc they all did so at a time when American's kept every penny of their earnings IE no income tax

[Lootifer]

Correlation does not imply causation.

[Phatscotty]

Correlation does not imply causation.

Luckily, I was not implying causation. Not even close. The implication was just to note that government is not the only entity that can provide infrastructure, we would not go back to the stone age if the government had to get its money from somewhere other than American workers earnings, and to point out that our golden age of innovation and opportunity existed when there was extremely limited government, we were on the gold standard, and there was no income tax. Schools and colleges provided much better education without federal government money.

Implication: We had all the right ingredients to earn the nickname "land of opportunity"
further implication: we have all the opposite ingredients now, and the result is the opposite of opportunity

[Lootifer]

Schools and colleges provided much better education without federal government money.

Implication: We had all the right ingredients to earn the nickname "land of opportunity"
further implication: we have all the opposite ingredients now, and the result is the opposite of opportunity

So I guess you're not a fan of John Adams then eh?

Reading the wiki on the history of education in the US there is a substantial increase in public schools during that self same golden era. While again correlation doesn't imply causation its an interesting counter point to note.

[Phatscotty]

Schools and colleges provided much better education without federal government money.

Implication: We had all the right ingredients to earn the nickname "land of opportunity"
further implication: we have all the opposite ingredients now, and the result is the opposite of opportunity

So I guess you're not a fan of John Adams then eh?

Reading the wiki on the history of education in the US there is a substantial increase in public schools during that self same golden era. While again correlation doesn't imply causation its an interesting counter point to note.

Funny you should ask. I'm about 200 pages into his autobiography at the moment. Adams is definitely one of my favorites. I've seen the HBO series probably 100 times (I always fall asleep to it). Have you read his autobiography or maybe seen the series? Not sure what your assumption implies, but you can try to trap me with it.

I will grant your point that 100% of schools were not independent of federal funding. I was going to put that in my previous post, but didn't think you would go there, since it doesn't prove or disprove anything really. I would assume based on common sense and a growing population along with building more schools to accomodate the growth (with the exception of the flu pandemic and world wars and probably some great depression years) that public school investment has grown probably every year.....

example: Barack Obama and Democrat controlled Congress increased education spending 100% in either 2009 or 2010, and the other year I think it was increased by 78% (when you add up various factors, not just the budget of the BOE). What was the outcome? teachers strikes, union growth in money and power, and results that stayed about the same as the year before.... unless you count the warm fuzzies and ego stroking some people seem to be dependent on

For the sake of the thread topic tho, there is a clear takeover of the education system by the federal government around the time of "the great society". When it comes to public funding, for these purposes, it can be pretty much summed up as pre great society and post G. S. And it's crystal clear that while schools have gotten a lot nicer and have swimming pools and internet access and heat and AC and free lunch programs, the results of our education system since the 1960's has been steadily getting worse.

bottom line is, IMO, our once best in the world education system will probably not survive the impact of the counter-culture and the now too powerful teachers unions.

[Metsfanmax]

For the sake of the thread topic tho, there is a clear takeover of the education system by the federal government around the time of "the great society". When it comes to public funding, for these purposes, it can be pretty much summed up as pre great society and post G. S. And it's crystal clear that while schools have gotten a lot nicer and have swimming pools and internet access and heat and AC and free lunch programs, the results of our education system since the 1960's has been steadily getting worse

Correlation does not imply causation.