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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:22 pm

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GreecePwns wrote:Having a harsh view of Israeli citizens is not anti-Semitism. It can be argued that the Israeli citizens, of which 99.9% are sitting on stolen land and of which 116 for every 120 vote for militant Zionist parties (militant to varying degrees, this according to the current Knesset configuration), are just as much a part of the offensive as the IDF. Justice calls for the following:

1. The return of illegally seized property to Palestinian owners or their estate. Theft is theft, and the legal conventions for theft include the return of stolen property.
2. The entire region put under Palestinian administration.
3. The land legally purchased by Jews pre-1948 to stay in the hands of the owners.

After you return upstate New York to the Seneca people, the Dakotas to the Sioux, the Ohio valley to the Osage, etc., etc., etc., you might have enough moral stature to start lecturing other countries about how to settle their indigenous land claims.


Basically, pretend history never happened?

If that's the way you think, then you should go all the way with it, all around the world. Then the Soiux will have to give the land back to the Apache, the Algonquin will have to give the land back to the Cherokee, the Mormons will have to give Utah to the Jews...

Why would Upstate New York be "returned" to the Seneca?
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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:27 pm

Phatscotty wrote: the Mormons will have to give Utah to the Jews...


whaaaa
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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:41 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Phatscotty wrote: the Mormons will have to give Utah to the Jews...


whaaaa


part inside joke (for shuckyducky), part exactly the same kind of claim Palestinians and Jews both make to the land in Israel.
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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby 2dimes on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:43 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Phatscotty wrote: the Mormons will have to give Utah to the Jews...


whaaaa


part inside joke (for shuckyducky), part exactly the same kind of claim Palestinians and Jews both make to the land in Israel.

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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:57 pm

The Temple Institute is an organization in Israel, with close links to the Israeli government, who is attempting to breed a magic cow called the Red Heifer. The Israeli government believes if they can create a magic cow, then stab it to death, the Messiah will arrive and slaughter all the Christians, Muslims, Atheists and Buddhists on the planet.

http://www.templeinstitute.org/

Yes, these are the people we trust with 200 nuclear bombs - a group of lunatics trying to create a magic cow so they can trick a magician to come out of hiding.

Meanwhile, in Iran ... the Vice-President, who has a Ph.D. in astrophysics, organized a 90th birthday party for his former doctoral mentor, the famous astronomer Dr. Alenush Terian (a female Christian) -

http://www.payvand.com/news/10/nov/1108.html

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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:32 pm

saxitoxin wrote:The Temple Institute is an organization in Israel, with close links to the Israeli government, who is attempting to breed a magic cow called the Red Heifer. The Israeli government believes if they can create a magic cow, then stab it to death, the Messiah will arrive and slaughter all the Christians, Muslims, Atheists and Buddhists on the planet.


Sounds a lot like Iran and the 12th Imam.

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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:03 am

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saxitoxin wrote:The Temple Institute is an organization in Israel, with close links to the Israeli government, who is attempting to breed a magic cow called the Red Heifer. The Israeli government believes if they can create a magic cow, then stab it to death, the Messiah will arrive and slaughter all the Christians, Muslims, Atheists and Buddhists on the planet.


Sounds a lot like Iran and the 12th Imam.


Yeah, that was kinda my point. Glenn Beck and the rest of the Choir repeat the Prophecy of the Mahdi like it's in the running for the Pulitzer. I doubt we'll ever, ever, ever hear Glenn Beck talk about Israel and her Magic Cow.

    IOW, if you do something that makes you look crazy (trying to breed a Magic Cow) try to convince everyone your opponent is even nuttier to deflect attention.
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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby GreecePwns on Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:15 am

Hamas stated that the only way to stop the rocket attacks is by ending Israeli invasion and fully opening up Gaza's borders, allowing free movement of people and materials through all sides.

If they can get this concession from Israel it will probably be seen as a massive success on their part just like the prisoner swap from last year was (in which one Israeli soldier was freed in exchange for the freeing of 1,027 West Bank citizens who resisted the settlement policy and were imprisoned as a result. They'll certainly win the upcoming elections (a probability whether or not they do; Fatah's an abject failure) and be emboldened in trying to gain back territory and rights from their occupiers.

If they don't, well, this recent spat of violence could go on a while longer.
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Postby 2dimes on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:07 am

I hate to pause for any serious questions in this one, but...

Do you think the Israeli government really believe the red heifer will bring a wrathful messiah?

Or are they hoping it can bring some sort of reform, which will open the door to the further actions needed to eventually return them to the ultimate position of power?

Anyone that believes it alone will bring destruction must at least suspect, everyone living outside the laws of God given by Moses would be in trouble. Most certainly including the Israeli government themselves.

Didn't any of them watch Raiders of the lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the last Crusade or Captain America? You can't just open up the Ark. You have to be the good guys.

Hamas stated that the only way to stop the rocket attacks is by ending Israeli invasion and fully opening up Gaza's borders, allowing free movement of people and materials through all sides.

Regardless of your opinions, does that seem like a good idea in the least, or even remotely likely?

I will play along and pretend the saintly Palestinians merely want to defend themselves. What's the motivation for "the bad guys" to allow them better access to weapons?
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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:13 pm

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This is like a burglar breaking into your house, getting in your bed, taking all the blankets, shoving you onto the floor, then - when you try to at least take a pillow - he punches you in the face. You call the police and the burglar exclaims "don't be so unreasonable - can't we get along?"
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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

Postby Symmetry on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:20 pm

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This is like a burglar breaking into your house, getting in your bed, taking all the blankets, shoving you onto the floor, then - when you try to at least take a pillow - he punches you in the face. You call the police and the burglar exclaims "don't be so unreasonable - can't we get along?"


Hmm, I don't think it's like that. I think you may have mistaken a near century long international dispute in the middle east with a burglary.
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Re: Another Round of Israeli Attacks on Gaza

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