GreecePwns wrote:Even if it was 99 or 98 or even as low as Saxi's quoted 94 figure (which only represents direct contributions to campaigns and not indirect contributions, personal positions or other factors), the validity of rest of the post is not even being questioned, so what is the point here?
The point is, all those Zionists you say there are, if were asked "Should the Palestinians have their own State?" how many members of Congress would say "Sure, they should have their own State".
The problem becomes where
to put that State.
What's wrong with Israel, how did you put it?-
GreecePwns wrote:believing Israel should exist and doing everything possible to advance its existence
why wouldn't Israel do that?
The Palestinians are doing the same thing, everything they can to advance their position.
The politicians speak out of both sides of their mouth. Israel has a right to exist, so do the Palestinians, each and every member of Congress will say that. Scratch that, I'm sure there are some real Jew haters in Congress.
The only reason it seems so pro Israeli is because the Palestinians don't have two nickels to rub together to donate to all the Congressmen's campaigns.
Congress takes that money and then says-"It's up to them to work out the agreement".
This is pretty much the belief, or at least the lip service given by pretty much anyone in Congress-
Obama Apr 6 2009 addressing the Turkish Parliament wrote:"In the Middle East, we share the goal of a lasting peace between Israel and its neighbors. Let me be clear: The United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security. That is a goal shared by Palestinians, Israelis, and people of goodwill around the world. That is a goal that the parties agreed to in the road map and at Annapolis. That is a goal that I will actively pursue as President of the United States. We know the road ahead will be difficult. Both Israelis and Palestinians must take steps that are necessary to build confidence and trust. Both Israelis and Palestinians, both must live up to the commitments they have made. Both must overcome longstanding passions and the politics of the moment to make progress towards a secure and lasting peace."
When people go spouting off about Zionist conspiracy it leads down a very dirty road we've traveled before.
You rail against Israel but ignore that the Palestinians refuse to even acknowledge Israel's right to exist. They just absolutely hate the Jews. (Not all Palestinians of course, but you get the idea. The people making the decisions hate Jews with a blind passion) and there in is the real problem.
Blind and utter hatred.
You can say it's justified if you want, doesn't matter. Even if a person is justified in hating your guts would you just stand there and let them kill you? Of course not.
The Israeli's defend themselves, the Palestinians defend themselves, they go on hating each other and Congress pimps themselves out to whomever will give them money, like dirty whores.
We poor suckers on the street are fed propaganda from every direction from every party until there is just no way to know who's full of shit.
I know who's full of shit though, anyone who says- "It's their
fault!" and point a finger at one party.
So you're full of shit and you wouldn't know the actual truth if it smack you in the face. Because people with agendas are spitting in your ear every way to Sunday.
So, sit back, let the children piss and shit in their own sandbox and quit trying to figure out who's right and who's wrong. They all are.
Oh, and if ya didn't notice, Obama's noble remarks are full of shit. He probably can't stand the Israeli's or the Palestinians. He sure as hell ain't gonna be able to get them to stop killing each other. "Jesus is the only Jew the World ever gave a shit about"
pretty much sums it up. Sadly.
You're entitled to keep on thinking that there is some Zionist conspiracy, hell, there might be. But there are much simpler reasons, greed being the primary one, emotion (hatred) being another and the urge to never let a crisis go to waste (which explains Congress' attitude).
Imagine if the Palestinians and the Israeli's ever did finally stop killing each other and live in peace with one another. There'd be a whole hell of a lot of disappointed politicians in the world.........