SirJohn13 & geots [Cleared] DCR

[Symmetry]

All non-team games I play are private games for a long time now. And I did not mess up at all. There is nothing wrong with playing games where some of the opps are friends of yours. If someone doesn't like that the logical thing is that they stay away of these games, not me or geots or any other friend.

I'm not sure what you mean- there's no good way to tell if you're playing with people who know each other as friends very closely unless you're one of those friends.

That's why it seems like you should avoid joining these public games against one another. That shouldn't be tough in future, right? I'm erring on the more generous side by considering this a mess-up.

If this was deliberate, then it's a bit more serious.

[mc05025]

That's why it seems like you should avoid joining these public games against one another. That shouldn't be tough in future, right?

No, it is tough. I like to play escalating games with generals in order to play quality games.

There 38 at the moment. The half of them do not play private escalating games. So 19 overall. Every game can have 8 players. So if I do not join any game with geots, sirjohn, and Kaskavel I will be able to join about the half games I'd like to.
In addition I like playing with friends.

[deathcomesrippin]

OK, I want to thank everyone for their input, I think we can take it from here.

[Chariot of Fire]

SirJohn is a stand-up guy whose passion is for multiplayer esc games. He regularly invites other high ranks to his private games and, in turn, he is invited himself (along with geots) to other people's private games. If you look at the games SirJohn creates (about half sunny, half fog) you'll notice geots is in a majority of sunny games. If they were in collaboration you wouldn't see this - they would go for mostly fog games, right? Also you would see a winning pattern in their fog games together, but this isn't the case. Of their last 40 games (esc fog) both Sir John & geots combined have won just 10. They are two of the best and fairest players on the site.

It's easy to jump to conclusions when seeing two clan mates playing in the same game (I've never created an esc fog game and invited a clan mate for this very reason), but it doesn't mean the players are guilty of a secret alliance. They just want to have a good game at the highest level and fill all the empty slots in a game.

[puppydog85]

OK, I want to thank everyone for their input, I think we can take it from here.

No! Don't spoil the show. With GLG gone this high ranking level of controversy is needed to fill the void. This is like watching the high god's on Olympus argue (think Zeus and Posiden)

[Chewie1]

Seems like a simple case of ' bad loser syndrome'

[deathcomesrippin]

SirJohn13 and geots are Cleared of Secret Diplomacy.

I can find no hard evidence that these players exchange any kind of message giving game details to each other. They also do not log into each others' accounts, apart from the singular time that was stated earlier in this discussion. That being said, if they wish to not have this come up again, they may wish to expand their playlist of people a bit instead of inviting the same group of friends and a few randoms apart from that. But that is neither here no there. The games they start are private when they are not on the same team, and if other players wish to now stay away because of this case, they may, it is their prerogative.

No apology will be forced out of the OP. We don't do that here. If the OP feels like apologizing for bringing forth what he thought was a legit complaint, then he will, but this was not spurious in nature so there will be nothing brought against the OP. If there is a case put up in the C&A about him pertaining to him posting this, that WILL be deemed spurious. Now that this case is closed, everyone here can get back to doing whatever it is they do when there is no big case going on involving someone with a high score. Thank you.

[RobG]

I have also found three people who play together in more games. They call themselves Mkneely, DAppel & Wshanahan. Look at game 11768811 as example. You can read in the game log that they already know each other by name. They don't attack each other, but attck first other people to kick them out of the game, and then one of the three wins the game.

[jltile1]

SirJohn13 and geots are Cleared of Secret Diplomacy.

I can find no hard evidence that these players exchange any kind of message giving game details to each other. They also do not log into each others' accounts, apart from the singular time that was stated earlier in this discussion. That being said, if they wish to not have this come up again, they may wish to expand their playlist of people a bit instead of inviting the same group of friends and a few randoms apart from that. But that is neither here no there. The games they start are private when they are not on the same team, and if other players wish to now stay away because of this case, they may, it is their prerogative.

No apology will be forced out of the OP. We don't do that here. If the OP feels like apologizing for bringing forth what he thought was a legit complaint, then he will, but this was not spurious in nature so there will be nothing brought against the OP. If there is a case put up in the C&A about him pertaining to him posting this, that WILL be deemed spurious. Now that this case is closed, everyone here can get back to doing whatever it is they do when there is no big case going on involving someone with a high score. Thank you.

A explanation is always nice.

I agree 100 %

[deathcomesrippin]

SirJohn13 and geots are Cleared of Secret Diplomacy.

I can find no hard evidence that these players exchange any kind of message giving game details to each other. They also do not log into each others' accounts, apart from the singular time that was stated earlier in this discussion. That being said, if they wish to not have this come up again, they may wish to expand their playlist of people a bit instead of inviting the same group of friends and a few randoms apart from that. But that is neither here no there. The games they start are private when they are not on the same team, and if other players wish to now stay away because of this case, they may, it is their prerogative.

No apology will be forced out of the OP. We don't do that here. If the OP feels like apologizing for bringing forth what he thought was a legit complaint, then he will, but this was not spurious in nature so there will be nothing brought against the OP. If there is a case put up in the C&A about him pertaining to him posting this, that WILL be deemed spurious. Now that this case is closed, everyone here can get back to doing whatever it is they do when there is no big case going on involving someone with a high score. Thank you.

A explanation is always nice.

I agree 100 %

I am trying to be more forthcoming recently

[geots]

Hello universalchiro,
Now that the case is cleared, I invite you to recognize the outcomes of the investigation conducted by CC administrators and restore my and sirjohn13's reputation by replying to this thread.
geots

[Symmetry]

Hello universalchiro,
Now that the case is cleared, I invite you to recognize the outcomes of the investigation conducted by CC administrators and restore my and sirjohn13's reputation by replying to this thread.
geots

As the mods have pointed out, he really doesn't need to apologise. It was a fair complaint to make, with no malice. It was judged fairly and evenly. I think you should abide by the decision and avoid escalating this into a feud.

[agentcom]

I love DCR's response/decision here I would think that rehabilitates your reputation sufficiently; does it not?

SirJohn13 and geots are Cleared of Secret Diplomacy.

I can find no hard evidence that these players exchange any kind of message giving game details to each other. They also do not log into each others' accounts, apart from the singular time that was stated earlier in this discussion. That being said, if they wish to not have this come up again, they may wish to expand their playlist of people a bit instead of inviting the same group of friends and a few randoms apart from that. But that is neither here no there. The games they start are private when they are not on the same team, and if other players wish to now stay away because of this case, they may, it is their prerogative.

No apology will be forced out of the OP. We don't do that here. If the OP feels like apologizing for bringing forth what he thought was a legit complaint, then he will, but this was not spurious in nature so there will be nothing brought against the OP. If there is a case put up in the C&A about him pertaining to him posting this, that WILL be deemed spurious. Now that this case is closed, everyone here can get back to doing whatever it is they do when there is no big case going on involving someone with a high score. Thank you.

[SirJohn13]

Noone is forcing univeralchiro to say anything. However, when you accuse someone of something and it turns out that you were wrong, I believe an apology should be expected by a person with decent manners.

[Symmetry]

Noone is forcing univeralchiro to say anything. However, when you accuse someone of something and it turns out that you were wrong, I believe an apology should be expected by a person with decent manners.

i've been around this forum for a while, and this has been probably the best explained judgement I've seen a mod give. A fair few other regulars and mods have said the same.

Don't keep this thing going by demanding an apology on top of being cleared.