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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby iancanton on Tue May 15, 2012 4:56 pm

firstly, a mistake to fix in the xml, about which there can be no argument: the asha loe AL6 bonus is currently written as AL6 and shows like this when that bonus is held, while the other six similar bonuses are written in full.

secondly, another mistake in the xml: the neutral tags for amos and loe are missing, so they are failing to start neutral and some players are starting with the calypso kings or kiwi beige brigade bonuses.

the majority of games on this map are 1v1 games. i've checked 25 1v1 games with the bowler coded as neutral that have actually finished. of these, player 1 has won 16 and player 2 has won 9, therefore there is a reasonable advantage gained by going first (skewed by 5 games where someone started with the bonuses mentioned above). the bowler was conquered in 15 games and ignored in 10; the latter was not the intention when this map was designed. only one singles bonus was held in the 25 games.

to satisfy both the principles that player 1 does not start with a bonus and that the bowler is active from a very early stage, i suggest that the bowler starting neutral is reduced from n3 to n1, with the PC3 starting neutral being removed if the number of starting regions falls below 69 (not sure if it does). to encourage play on the field rather than among the spectators, i further suggest that all of the singles start as n2 instead of n3, since no-one ever seems to want them; the same might be done with the fours, which are also rarely held, while the batter 1 neutrals might reduce from n4 to n3 (but consider the last one carefully, in case it tips the balance too much).

ian. :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Thu May 17, 2012 1:15 am

iancanton wrote:firstly, a mistake to fix in the xml, about which there can be no argument: the asha loe AL6 bonus is currently written as AL6 and shows like this when that bonus is held, while the other six similar bonuses are written in full.

Fixed.

secondly, another mistake in the xml: the neutral tags for amos and loe are missing, so they are failing to start neutral and some players are starting with the calypso kings or kiwi beige brigade bonuses.

Fixed.


the majority of games on this map are 1v1 games. i've checked 25 1v1 games with the bowler coded as neutral that have actually finished. of these, player 1 has won 16 and player 2 has won 9, therefore there is a reasonable advantage gained by going first (skewed by 5 games where someone started with the bonuses mentioned above). the bowler was conquered in 15 games and ignored in 10; the latter was not the intention when this map was designed. only one singles bonus was held in the 25 games.

Nice analysis

...to satisfy both the principles that player 1 does not start with a bonus and that the bowler is active from a very early stage, i suggest that the bowler starting neutral is reduced from n3 to n1,

Done.

...with the PC3 starting neutral being removed if the number of starting regions falls below 69 (not sure if it does).

Not yet done! until decision made


...to encourage play on the field rather than among the spectators, i further suggest that all of the singles start as n2 instead of n3, since no-one ever seems to want them; the same might be done with the fours, which are also rarely held,

4 x Singlesreduced to n2
8 x 4s reduced to n2
...Done!

... while the batter 1 neutrals might reduce from n4 to n3 (but consider the last one carefully, in case it tips the balance too much).
ian. :)

ian, i'll reduce these now and if it tips the balance too far we can always pull back again.
Done!

I'll wait until decision is made on third last point above before attaching the new xml file, but all others have been changed.
Thanks ian for your efforts once again. :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby chapcrap on Thu May 17, 2012 10:46 am

That's a lot of neutral changing... How will this alter the gameplay? Maybe this should be BETA for another minute or two.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Thu May 17, 2012 12:27 pm

chapcrap wrote:That's a lot of neutral changing... How will this alter the gameplay? Maybe this should be BETA for another minute or two.

I have no objection to that happening.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Ickyketseddie on Mon May 28, 2012 10:24 am

...to satisfy both the principles that player 1 does not start with a bonus and that the bowler is active from a very early stage, i suggest that the bowler starting neutral is reduced from n3 to n1,

Done.

Not in the game i just started?? Did you put this on hold to beat it?
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby iancanton on Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:30 pm

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...with the PC3 starting neutral being removed if the number of starting regions falls below 69 (not sure if it does).

Not yet done! until decision made

cairnswk wrote:I'll wait until decision is made on third last point above before attaching the new xml file, but all others have been changed.

i count 67 starting regions, so we need to remove the starting neutrals for both pc3 and mike atherton to make 69.

ian. :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby jimboy on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:58 am

The bowler is still nuetral 3..... is this the plan going forward? From a team game stand point this map is not as interesting in the current form.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby iancanton on Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:05 am

1st All Rounder has been misspelled in the xml as 1st All rounder, but is correct on the map itself. 2nd All Rounder is already correct for both.

ian. :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:25 am

iancanton wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
...with the PC3 starting neutral being removed if the number of starting regions falls below 69 (not sure if it does).

Not yet done! until decision made

cairnswk wrote:I'll wait until decision is made on third last point above before attaching the new xml file, but all others have been changed.

i count 67 starting regions, so we need to remove the starting neutrals for both pc3 and mike atherton to make 69.

ian. :)


Done. In version 28 coming up. :)
With 100 territories, there are now 31 neutral starts, making 69 starts.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:26 am

jimboy wrote:The bowler is still nuetral 3..... is this the plan going forward? From a team game stand point this map is not as interesting in the current form.

Yes jimboy, it is going forward...very shortly :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:26 am

iancanton wrote:1st All Rounder has been misspelled in the xml as 1st All rounder, but is correct on the map itself. 2nd All Rounder is already correct for both.

ian. :)


Fixed. :) Thanks.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:36 am

ian, please check these, if you would.

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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby iancanton on Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:48 pm

cover is still n3 instead of n2.

3rd Umpire is part of Umpires bonus as well Media Centre reads better as 3rd Umpire is part of Umpires and Media Complex bonuses. the name of the latter bonus has changed, as already reflected on the scoreboard.

do u consider it helpful to highlight the bowler's +2 by underlining, bolding, large font or some other method? it's almost invisible to someone who's looking for the bonuses and sees the list on the right.

maybe move the n2 from loe to tawera, so tawera isn't trapped?

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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:20 pm

iancanton wrote:cover is still n3 instead of n2.

It's ok in xml, changed on neutral starts map.

3rd Umpire is part of Umpires bonus as well Media Centre reads better as 3rd Umpire is part of Umpires and Media Complex bonuses. the name of the latter bonus has changed, as already reflected on the scoreboard.

Done.
do u consider it helpful to highlight the bowler's +2 by underlining, bolding, large font or some other method? it's almost invisible to someone who's looking for the bonuses and sees the list on the right.

Underlined...

maybe move the n2 from loe to tawera, so tawera isn't trapped?
ian. :)

Done. Thanks Ian.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:33 pm

ian, all those changes should be evident in the above post, including the changed xml shift Loe to Tawera
I've been able to underline the "bowler gets +2" and bold it on the large map, but doing that on the small map only blurrs it too much :-)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:59 pm

cairnswk wrote:ian, all those changes should be evident in the above post, including the changed xml shift Loe to Tawera
I've been able to underline the "bowler gets +2" and bold it on the large map, but doing that on the small map only blurrs it too much :-)

Could you change it to that nice green color to help make it stand out? Just a very random thought.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby chapcrap on Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:14 pm

Should this just be moved back to BETA?
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:27 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:ian, all those changes should be evident in the above post, including the changed xml shift Loe to Tawera
I've been able to underline the "bowler gets +2" and bold it on the large map, but doing that on the small map only blurrs it too much :-)

Could you change it to that nice green color to help make it stand out? Just a very random thought.

Now that's a great proactive thought...i like it...done :)

chapcrap wrote:Should this just be moved back to BETA?

I don't know if that would achieve anything...we are simply trying to tweak things so that players can be happier with the gameplay...almost like negotiating between two parties :)
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby jimboy on Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:50 pm

So is there still going to be another change to the size of the nuetral on the bowler or is this it now? I was under the impression that more changes were on the way
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby jimboy on Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:00 pm

Apparently the discussion surrounding the change has been forgotten. Basically this was changed from a great map to garbage in my mind.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:37 pm

jimboy wrote:Apparently the discussion surrounding the change has been forgotten. Basically this was changed from a great map to garbage in my mind.
jimboy wrote:So is there still going to be another change to the size of the nuetral on the bowler or is this it now? I was under the impression that more changes were on the way

I have not forgotten about this jimboy...RL and other priorities simply get in the way sometimes...
and since there are always going to be people who are unhappy about changes made one way or the other, then these are the least of my priorities...sorry!
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:00 pm

cairnswk wrote:ian, please check these, if you would.

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tnb80...were these changes ever uploaded?
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby Nola_Lifer on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:17 pm

Hasn't yet cairns.
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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby iancanton on Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:35 pm

fast-bowler 1 and fast-bowler 2 on the map have become fast bowler 1 and fast bowler 2 in the xml. it's fine with or without the hyphen, as long as we're consistent between the map and the xml.

are u sure u can't fit in media centre instead of media cen., at least on the large map?

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Re: CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

Postby cairnswk on Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:07 pm

iancanton wrote:...
are u sure u can't fit in media centre instead of media cen., at least on the large map?
ian. :)

let's be consistent eh?! :)
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