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Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby ManBungalow on Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:37 pm

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Side stats were introduced in November 2009, and actually proved to be quite a controversial update.

They don't provide any information which cannot be found by looking at the map/game log. In fact, they're really there so you don't have to count up the number of troops your opponent has in a World 2.1 game.

Some might argue that estimating troop numbers is a game skill. Pre-stats, anyway. And similarly, putting the extra minute of attention into a game by checking the log to see what's happened and how many regions have been taken makes (made) for generally better moves.

Did the update detract from good strategy in that sense? And for those who joined after the update, how might it be different playing without the stats?

And bear in mind that such numbers are all provided by BoB, and more. That leads us on to ponder, "do add-ons provide an unfair advantage"?
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:08 pm

Nice topic,

I personally feel this site, which is supposed to be an enjoyable game, would become much, much, more of a mundane chore if I had to track all these things manually.

+ I like to play random map, I would be much much less inclined to play random map if I didn't have the side stats
+ If I ever get behind on my games and need to take my turns quickly because of real life situations, its nice to just glance over at side stats to get a quick overveiw and take my turn. This would be very difficult without stats.
+ Account sitters would be in the dark without side stats. I sit occasionally, and I find it hard to be super helpful. I couldn't imagine without stats
+ I like to spend more time conquering regions and clicking the assault button, rather than trying to estimate how many troops a player has.
+ Side stats make playing brand new maps easier to understand.
+ Noob players may not add up Troops Due on their own, and may be unhappy with their experience or accuse players of cheating.
+ Dont know why I used + signs
+ I am bored
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:51 pm

I think since the introduction of side stats actually helped me win a number of games, and evaluate opponent strength and weakness. In terminator, I found myself getting more terminations, and in team games I found myself bolstering up my weak teammates more. I don't often have a lot of time to make my turns, so bringing the information about of game log arithmetic definitely saved me time and improved my gameplay overall I think.

Additionally, it is a nice bit balance to those who use scripts which categorize and describe even more nuanced information about current state a game, and those who never did.


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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:16 pm

Having to manually do stuff like bookkeeping is pointless. Even great generals would have scribes that work for them.
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby IcePack on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:18 pm

I like it for all above reasons + more.
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby chapcrap on Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:48 am

ManB is a minimalist!!

I was here before the stats and it did force me to check the log. To me, this is on the level of something like incorporating an addon, like clickies, or BOB into the site proper. Anything like that should be added, IMO because it levels the playing field for people that didn't previously had use of the addons or even know about them.

Now, there is something to be said for doing your own analysis of games and I think that still stands true. But being forced to add up all those numbers in a sunny game is pretty pointless.
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby Gilligan on Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:42 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Having to manually do stuff like bookkeeping is pointless. Even great generals would have scribes that work for them.


Haha, great comparison!
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby greenoaks on Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:12 pm

and underneath stats are really handy too
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby generalhead on Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:29 pm

When new players join CC they don't know to read the log or even check the territory count. This leads to unbalanced game play by "noobs" because they might attack the weaker players leaving the game unbalanced for some one else to win. I believe the side stats make it easier to check the balance of the game that way unbalanced moves are not made.
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:14 am

All I really want to know is, did ManB win that game? Looks pretty close between him and HCI.

Leave the side stats. I really do not have time to look all that up.
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby Gilligan on Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:23 am

koontz1973 wrote:All I really want to know is, did ManB win that game? Looks pretty close between him and HCI.

Leave the side stats. I really do not have time to look all that up.


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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby ManBungalow on Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:53 am

Gilligan wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:All I really want to know is, did ManB win that game? Looks pretty close between him and HCI.

Leave the side stats. I really do not have time to look all that up.


When it comes to hydrochloric acid, you generally lose.

Basically.
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby tj755 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:35 am

I like the side stats because sometimes scrolling down is too much work. Is there a way to make the side stats my default?
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby Gilligan on Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:55 pm

tj755 wrote:I like the side stats because sometimes scrolling down is too much work. Is there a way to make the side stats my default?


Go to Game Settings on the left hand side.
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Re: Side stats: your opinion, of

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:50 pm

I like side stats--especially when I used to play 200 games at a time
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