[Vacation - valid until Sept 2013] WWI: Gallipoli

[koontz1973]

Much better, thanks.

[cairnswk]

Much better, thanks.

Excellent...
V25...bumped

[Funkyterrance]

I can see the shoreline and impassables much better now!
The only thing is that the adjacent terts in the lower right still all look as one but once the map is made you could just hover your mouse to see adjacents with bob so this is not a big deal.

[cairnswk]

I can see the shoreline and impassables much better now!
The only thing is that the adjacent terts in the lower right still all look as one but once the map is made you could just hover your mouse to see adjacents with bob so this is not a big deal.

thanks FT.
glad to see you have Bob also.
i will try to still improve those terts as i do updates.

[cairnswk]

I have changed the Losing Condition to:
Players failing to hold any land position will be eliminated.
Reason:
The objective of the mission was to land troops and move forward from there.
The landing craft, and minesweepers are able to be attacked from shore, and if there is someone left in them, it kind of represents a withdrawal from any shore position. Mine positions do not count as these are killer neutrals.

[cairnswk]

Version 26.
1. change to losing condition in legend
2. change of font on some parts of legend

[cairnswk]

Nobody got any more gameplay comments on this one??

[Dukasaur]

I think I may have a useful contribution, although it is not regarding gameplay.

WWI battleships were referred to as Dreadnoughts (referencing the HMS Dreadnought.) Although pre-dreadnought battleships were still in use, in popular usage they were all called Dreadnoughts anyway.

I think switching from "Battleship" to "Dreadnought" will improve the period flavour of the map, even at the expense of precise accuracy. It will also avoid the unfortunate acronym, "BS".

Okay, maybe I do have a gameplay comment. I like the addition of the losing condition. It makes a lot of sense.

[cairnswk]

I think I may have a useful contribution, although it is not regarding gameplay.

WWI battleships were referred to as Dreadnoughts (referencing the HMS Dreadnought.) Although pre-dreadnought battleships were still in use, in popular usage they were all called Dreadnoughts anyway.

I think switching from "Battleship" to "Dreadnought" will improve the period flavour of the map, even at the expense of precise accuracy. It will also avoid the unfortunate acronym, "BS".

Dukasaur, i would consider this although as previously explained it may create confusion with the legend. Can you provide the reference where you obtained this info from please...for consideration.

Okay, maybe I do have a gameplay comment. I like the addition of the losing condition. It makes a lot of sense.

That's excellent to hear!

[Oneyed]

[quote="cairnswk"
Dukasaur, i would consider this although as previously explained it may create confusion with the legend. Can you provide the reference where you obtained this info from please...for consideration.[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought

the Battle ship as the best ship was past. the new battle ship Dreadnought gived the name for new class - Dreadnought. it was common use for the best ships.

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

[quote="cairnswk"
Dukasaur, i would consider this although as previously explained it may create confusion with the legend. Can you provide the reference where you obtained this info from please...for consideration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought

the Battle ship as the best ship was past. the new battle ship Dreadnought gived the name for new class - Dreadnought. it was common use for the best ships.

Oneyed[/quote]

Mmmm. First sentence of that reference....
"The dreadnought was the predominant type of battleship in the early 20th century."
So from that i think i will stick with battleship as the designation....especially since Elizabeth was a "battleship" not designated as a Dreadnought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Al ... _Gallipoli

[Oneyed]

Mmmm. First sentence of that reference....
"The dreadnought was the predominant type of battleship in the early 20th century."
So from that i think i will stick with battleship as the designation....especially since Elizabeth was a "battleship" not designated as a Dreadnought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Al ... _Gallipoli

read more as one sentence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Eliz ... battleship - class of five super-dreadnoughts...

and here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleship - Following battleship designs, influenced by HMS Dreadnought, were referred to as "dreadnoughts"

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

Mmmm. First sentence of that reference....
"The dreadnought was the predominant type of battleship in the early 20th century."
So from that i think i will stick with battleship as the designation....especially since Elizabeth was a "battleship" not designated as a Dreadnought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Al ... _Gallipoli

read more as one sentence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Eliz ... battleship - class of five super-dreadnoughts...

and here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleship - Following battleship designs, influenced by HMS Dreadnought, were referred to as "dreadnoughts"

Oneyed

Yes, but they were still battleships...class of...and influenced by...and battelship designs...

[Dukasaur]

Mmmm. First sentence of that reference....
"The dreadnought was the predominant type of battleship in the early 20th century."
So from that i think i will stick with battleship as the designation....especially since Elizabeth was a "battleship" not designated as a Dreadnought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Al ... _Gallipoli

Au contraire, follow the link through, and you will see:

HMS Queen Elizabeth (pennant number 00) was the lead ship of the Queen Elizabeth-class of dreadnought battleships,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Queen_Elizabeth_%281913%29

I did a bit of looking but unfortunately I've never mastered the art of Internet searching. I can't find anything older than about 1986. If we were at a real library I could show you books with original newspaper stories from 1915 and you would see that the newspapers of the time almost always referred to the battlewagons only as Dreadnoughts.

Anyway, it isn't something I'd lose sleep over, but I just thought it would improve the historical flavour.

[cairnswk]

Mmmm. I won't lose any sleep either, but...I think if Admiral Sir John Fisher called them Battleships, we can also.

"In 1903 the Royal Navy still envisioned a fighting range for battleships of only about 3,000 yards, although other navies were firing at much longer ranges. But since 1899, shooting in the Mediterranean Fleet under Admiral Fisher had shown that 6,000 yards might become the battle range of the future, and that, with proper use of the fire control system evolved by Percy Scott, ships could obtain fair accuracy at ranges up to 8.000 yards. This knowledge, in the hands of Admiral Sir John Fisher and his supporters, led directly to the development of the Dreadnought. In notes made by Fisher in May 1904 for the Committee on Designs, the influence of the long-range gunner is paramount. In the section of these notes dealing with the Type B {Dreadnought) Battleship Fisher makes the following statements:

This ship is a battleship and will have to fight other battleships. . . . This will naturally be at long range, so that gunnery skill can be used to the best advantage. . . .
Now the results of all long-range shooting has gone to prove that if we wish to make good shooting at 6,000 yards and above, the guns must be fired slowly and deliberately, and the shots marked. . . .
It is on the number of hits, not the number of shots fired that the action depends. . . .
The fast ship with the heavier guns and deliberate fire should absolutely "knock out" a vessel of equal speed with many lighter guns, the very number of which militate against accurate spotting and deliberate hitting. . . .
The speed of firing at long ranges is no longer limited by the loading of the gun, but by the limitations imposed by the accuracy of fire.

Long-range guns and long-range gunnery provided the overriding impetus in the development of the battleship in the decade leading up to the Dreadnought.
The Royal Navy's analysis of naval battles in the Russo-Japanese War convinced them of the superior accuracy of the big gun, of 10- or 12-inch bore. They also concluded that only the shell from the big gun could have a really significant effect on the enemy's armored ships. Thus they clearly saw that the guns of 7.5 or 9.2 inches had comparatively small value when mounted on battleships as a supplement to 12-inch guns. But the Royal Navy, as well as most foreign navies, then mounted such guns on their newest battleships, substituting them for the smaller, usually 6-inch, quick firer, long in use."
http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.p ... ther-look/
Battleship Classes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:B ... ip_classes