Map Name:Three Kingdoms of China Mapmaker(s): Seamus76 & V.J. Number of Territories: 42 Special Features: Super Region bonuses, etc. What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made: It's based on an interesting time period in the history of China, a very culturally and historically important region.
Description: "Do the unexpected, attack the unprepared." Zhuge Liang This map takes place from approximately 220ce-280ce when China was split into Three Kingdoms following the loss of power of the Han Dynasty. The map incorporates multiple bonus opportunities including taking capitals, and overriding super region bonuses.
Based on gimil's original Era of The Three Kingdoms map, http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=242&t=51881, this map will try to stay true to his main intention of creating a nice map with simple, easy gameplay that anyone could play.
TERRITORIES
42 territories in total 3 will be Capitals, and are included in the Capital Bonus listed below. All three will be coded neutral to avoid a bonus on the drop. 8 will be Cities, and are included in the City Bonus listed below. Each player will start with 1, the others will end up being neutral.
BONUSES
Region Bonus = 8 regions in total (bonuses +1 to +5) Super Region Bonus = 3 super regions in total (bonuses +8 to +12) Capital Bonus = +4 for holding all 3. (Each Capital starts 2 neutral) City Bonus = +1 for every 2 Cities held (Each starting neutral City will start 2 neutral)
STARTING POINTS
Currently 35 territories can be starting positions. This excludes 3 Capitals, Bei Ping West, Liang North, Kuaiji, and Nanman(2n) which will all be coded neutral (7 terts in total).
2p = 14 each = 28 total 3p = 10 each = 30 total 4p = 7 each = 28 total 5p = 6 each = 30 total 6p = 6 each = 32 total 7p = 4 each = 28 total 8p = 4 each = 32 total
What's the Idea with the title? I know your maps so far have been (Tribal War - Florida) and (Tribal War - Ancient Israel). And there's already a map called (Three Kingdoms of Korea) by [Industrial Helix and Natty Dread]. Are you going to make a series of this? The current name conflicts with (Three Kingdoms of Korea) so perhaps you'd call it (Three Kingdoms of China).
P.S. Yes, I will come back and actually comment on the map itself. Just give it time.
Was this era too early for the great wall of china? I believe it was around this period that they started it. I thought it would be a neat idea to use as an impassible. The mountains you have fit and looked nice on your last map. It would would be nice to see the mountains a little more pronounced on this map with it being china.
koontz1973 wrote:What, no war zone? Just the 3 capitals? Why not some villages and trade routes as well to add another level of game play.
Nope, no War Zone on this one. I've been looking to do something a little simpler. Plus I promised V.J. our next map wouldn't have one.
by cairnswk » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:21 am I beleive koontz is right...needs spicing up a fraction, but very good start...you've been working on this while the foundry has been somewhat dormant
Lol, yeah, it's pretty slow around here (insert kick in the butt) so I needed something to keep me busy. I'm not sure about spicing it up. I'm looking to keep it simple actually. I think there are a lot of maps these days with too many things going on, I'm of the mindset that just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should be. I also think maps with simple gameplay become more standard maps for players, and thus would like to keep this pretty entry level. Something anyone can play, and enjoy the look and feel of.
by x-raider » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:55 am What's the Idea with the title? I know your maps so far have been (Tribal War - Florida) and (Tribal War - Ancient Israel). And there's already a map called (Three Kingdoms of Korea) by [Industrial Helix and Natty Dread]. Are you going to make a series of this? The current name conflicts with (Three Kingdoms of Korea) so perhaps you'd call it (Three Kingdoms of China).
This is just something different I wanted to do, and obviously breaks away from the Tribal War series. I've already changed the name of the map to Three Kingdoms of China, which will go nicely with natty's Korea. I'm not sure of any other "Three Kingdoms" for a series, but I haven't looked either.
by generalhead » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:46 am Was this era too early for the great wall of china? I believe it was around this period that they started it. I thought it would be a neat idea to use as an impassible. The mountains you have fit and looked nice on your last map. It would would be nice to see the mountains a little more pronounced on this map with it being china.
I haven't colored the mountains yet, or done anything but put them down to get the draft up for comment. They won't look like that for long, but that is the shape they will be. As for the Great Wall, this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China.jpg shows there wasn't much built at time that would effect gameplay for this map. The Silk Road didn't event pass through enough of this to add. Hence keeping it simple is the way to go.
A lot of the territory borders are really hard to see, especially the in the red region. I like the pattern in the water but is doesn't seem right for some reason. Could be me as usual. I like the idea of this map, good work. I'll check more later. c-ya bud.
ManBungalow wrote:Isn't there a thread for a very similar map hanging around her somewhere?
I'll look tomorrow if no response.
You are correct. The original map was started and abandoned by gimil back in 2008, and I came across it when I was looking to start the map myself. I really love his colors and layout, as well as the simplicity. I tried to give credit to him on the map, but if there is other wording I need just let me know. I also reached out to him a few months ago to discuss but he has left the site as you may know.
by generalhead » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:00 pm A lot of the territory borders are really hard to see, especially the in the red region. I like the pattern in the water but is doesn't seem right for some reason. Could be me as usual. I like the idea of this map, good work. I'll check more later.
I can darken those borders. Personally I really like the water pattern, but I'll play around with the opacity to see how it looks. Thanks for the comments as always GH.
CURRENT UPDATE INFO - 2013-01-01: - Updated the title and added a slight drop shadow. The positioning still needs to be adjusted though. - Brought out the tert borders a little, especially for Wu. - Toned down the Wei mini-map labels. - Added the one-way assault through the mountains. - Updated the mountains. - Other general cosmetic touch ups.
Looking for some input on the capital bonus. Is it too simple the way it is? Should it be something like Hold all 3 for one round to win, or +5 for 3, etc.? I think other than that most of the gameplay issues were all worked out on the original map, but please let me know some thoughts.
OK seamus, I am going to be brutal here, so please do not take anything personal.
Map background is great, not much can be done on that apart from touch ups. Territ lines do seem a little hard in places. Might be an idea to swap the colours out. Colours are going to be a problem. You will need to change them.
Mountains, do not work on this map. Go and look at similar maps with bright colours. You will see they all have inverted v shapes with a single colour in them. Either that or a top down view of them will work. Next to Jiaozhi, you have a red symbol that is very faded, what is this?
Game play. Look at this from natty dread to see what I meant about adding some trade routes and other towns onto the map. Only holding 3 cities where you may deploy next to them is going to be bad for the game play boys. They will get you to change this for a winning condition. I suggest at least one capital for each bonus zone. Have trade routes between them with the winning condition of holding 4 complete trade routes. Bung a bonus onto each one and players will go for them.
how about placing invading armies into the neighboring counties with supply lines leading back to the capital. if supply line is held, you get an auto deploy on your armies that can attack up to two terits away?
