Should We Publish Names And Addresses of Gun Owners?

[saxitoxin]

This is great! We can go disarm all of these people now!

Why stop there, just go the next step and force all law abiding gun owning citizens to wear yellow stars on their coats.

see how ya are?

Will the stars say deputy sheriff?

or maybe this...

Who woulda thought that one day this would be as much a tale of tragedy and redemption as The Diary of Anne Frank?

It's about targeting a certain kind of people, invading their privacy, discrimination, making sure everybody knows what kind of person they are and where they can be found...

This suggests that firearms owners are a distinguishable class of people with unique genetic characteristics, like Hebrews.

One can disclaim support for publication of registration data without feeling obligated to sign-on to every single likeminded position, no matter how insane.

The Geisha won the admiration of suitors with what they did not reveal. Sometimes, Scott, you may find you advance your position better by keeping your kimono closed instead of letting it all hang out. People like Mets may be won to your side if they think you're hiding a nicely trimmed, tight vagina. When you start flashing a big, hairy cock around, the only person you'll win over is AoG.

[Phatscotty]

It doesn't have to be based on race. High tech social terrorism can be waged against any "segment" or "class" of society.

[Phatscotty]

and here is an interestingly honest liberal discussion on the matter.

You get to see 2 Liberals challenging another Liberal in favor of privacy, and Krystal Ball also makes a point I made earlier about "labeling gun owners" I can't find it on youtube so you gotta go to the link if you are interested

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbcs- ... ho-doesnt/

[Ray Rider]

In retaliation against the New York newspaper — the Journal News — that published the addresses of those pistol permit holders in two of the state’s counties, a blogger has created a map pinpointing the addresses of the newspaper’s employees.

Mimicking the title of the Journal News’ original article, Robert Cox with “Talk of the Sound” headlined his post: Map: Where are the Journal News employees in your neighborhood?
Robert Cox With Talk of the Sound Creates Map of Journal News Employees in Retaliation to Gun Permit Map

He wrote:

The map indicates the addresses of all Journal News Employees in the New York Tri-State area. Each dot represents an individual Journal News employee — a reporter, editor or staffer. The data does not include freelancers — reporters or photographers — which can be hired without being an employee. Being included in this map does not mean the individual at a specific location is a responsible reporter or editor, just that they are a reporter or editor.

[...]

To create the map, Talk of the Sound submitted Google searches for the names and addresses of all Journal News employees in the New York Tri-State area. By state law, the information is public record.

Cox went onto explain that putting together the map has been a crowd-sourced effort between other bloggers and readers. He wrote the map will be updated as more information continues to become available.

He also noted that since the publication has downsized in recent years, some of the names of employees might not be current. So far, dozens of names and addresses have been collected and published.

See the full-size map here.

Another blogger has been curating the names and addresses of News Journal employees as well (via Beta Beat). Christopher Fountain, a Greenwich, Conn., real estate agent on his blog For What It’s Worth, generally composes posts about real estate and home improvement, has been voicing his thoughts on the News Journal’s publishing of gun owner addresses and also recently linked Cox’s interactive map of employee addresses.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blogger-retaliates-against-paper-that-published-gun-owner-addresses-by-creating-interactive-map-of-its-employees/

Wow, a shitty thing to do in the first place, but talk about retaliation. More fear for all involved. Are these bloggers trying to show that publishing this kind of information is legal? Or that if you post this kind of information, there will be threatening repercussions?

Probably a good idea not to read TheBlaze, Glenn Beck is still a recipe for paranoia. I could cry.

Meh, it's just tit for tat. The newsapaper did a stupid thing by publishing the location of every handgun owner in the area, and someone decided to do the same thing back to make them see what it feels like. What's the harm in that?

[spurgistan]

Unless I'm mistaken, one of these things involves publicly available information, and the other one doesn't. That, to me, is the difference. If reporters addresses are also in the public record somehow, then I'm fine with it.

[Ray Rider]

Unless I'm mistaken, one of these things involves publicly available information, and the other one doesn't. That, to me, is the difference. If reporters addresses are also in the public record somehow, then I'm fine with it.

I thought the quote said that the map was created by googling the newspaper employees and by using information which was publicly available through state law? I can't say I've paid much attention to this issue besides skimming this thread, but from what I can see, both maps were created using public information. I'd still say both maps should never have been made, but at least I can understand the motive of the people who created the second map.

[Borderdawg]

Unless I'm mistaken, one of these things involves publicly available information, and the other one doesn't. That, to me, is the difference. If reporters addresses are also in the public record somehow, then I'm fine with it.

How about the phone book? Can't get much more public than that.

[Night Strike]

After the Journal News published interactive maps detailing where gun owners live in a number of New York counties in late December, people all across the nation decried the move as an invasion of privacy and a danger to the families.

A number of ex-burglars told Fox News that the list would prove invaluable to criminals, telling them which houses to avoid or rob, depending on what they wanted.

It was revealed on Sunday that one of the homes identified by the paper was targeted by burglars over the weekend, though a connection to the Journal News has not been proven.

New York’s Westchester/Rockland Newsday has noteworthy details on the break-in (all subsequent emphasis added):

A White Plains residence pinpointed on a controversial handgun permit database was burglarized Saturday, and the burglars’ target was the homeowner’s gun safe.

At least two burglars broke into a home on Davis Avenue at 9:30 p.m. Saturday but were unsuccessful in an attempt to open the safe, which contained legally owned weapons, according to a law enforcement source. One suspect was taken into custody, the source said.

The gun owner was not home when the burglary occurred, the source said. The victim, who is in his 70s, told Newsday on Sunday that he did not want to comment while the police investigation continues.

[...]

Neighbor John Mascia said he thought the gun permit database should not have been published.

“I could [not] care less what they have in their home,” Mascia said.

Police are investigating what role, if any, the database played in the burglars’ decision to target the home, the law enforcement source said.

Republican State Senator Greg Ball of New York released a strongly-worded statement on the matter Sunday, adding that he plans to introduce legislation to better protect the identities of gun owners in the future:

“The Journal News has placed the lives of these folks at risk by creating a virtual shopping list for criminals and nut jobs. If the connection is proven, this is further proof that these maps are not only an invasion of privacy but that they present a clear and present danger to law-abiding, private citizens. Former convicts have already testified to the usefulness of the asinine Journal News ‘gun maps’ yet the reckless editors are evidently willing to roll the dice, gambling with the lives of innocent local homeowners,” Senator Greg Ball said.

[...]

“The same elitist eggheads who use their editorial page to coddle terrorists and criminals are now treating law abiding citizens like level three sexual predators. These bills are critical to keep folks safe and fundamentally protect their inherent right to privacy… This is not about the Second Amendment; these bills are simply about commonsense and personal privacy. Publishing this information on a website, as we have evidently just witnessed in the recent attempted gun burglary, provides criminals with a map of where they can steal firearms from lawful owners for later use in the commission of crimes. This legislation is critical,” said Senator Greg Ball.

Ball wasn’t the only one to call out the Journal News in the wake of the robbery. Senator Ball’s office adds:

In addition to Senator Ball’s legislation, the Vice President of the Affiliated Police Association of Westchester County, Robert Buckley, said in a letter [that] publishing these maps online is jeopardizing the safety of residents and is irresponsible.

“The Affiliated Police Association of Westchester County Inc. is putting The Journal News on notice that we will hold [them] accountable for any incident where any of our over 25,000 members are involved with an incident where a criminal or ex-con presents themselves at the residence of one of our members as a result of their name being made public by [their] newspaper,” said Buckley.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/13/house-identified-on-ny-papers-gun-map-burglarized-and-the-robbers-went-straight-for-the-guns/

[AndyDufresne]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/13/house-identified-on-ny-papers-gun-map-burglarized-and-the-robbers-went-straight-for-the-guns/

That's it. I think it's high time we start shutting down newspapers and controlling the media to stop these things from happening. No sense in just creating a counterweight, we've got to add more controls, like approved articles from a central authority. It must be done in order to protect our good.


--Andy

[Metsfanmax]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/13/house-identified-on-ny-papers-gun-map-burglarized-and-the-robbers-went-straight-for-the-guns/

That's it. I think it's high time we start shutting down newspapers and controlling the media to stop these things from happening. No sense in just creating a counterweight, we've got to add more controls, like approved articles from a central authority. It must be done in order to protect our good.


--Andy

That's right. When the two come into conflict, the First Amendment always takes a backseat to the Second.

[BigBallinStalin]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/13/house-identified-on-ny-papers-gun-map-burglarized-and-the-robbers-went-straight-for-the-guns/

That's it. I think it's high time we start shutting down newspapers and controlling the media to stop these things from happening. No sense in just creating a counterweight, we've got to add more controls, like approved articles from a central authority. It must be done in order to protect our good.


--Andy

That's right. When the two come into conflict, the First Amendment always takes a backseat to the Second.

I agree, but if we put people in backseat, we shouldn't shoot them in the head because it ruins the interior. Better to take them somewhere remote, and then shoot them in the head.

[Lootifer]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/13/house-identified-on-ny-papers-gun-map-burglarized-and-the-robbers-went-straight-for-the-guns/

That's it. I think it's high time we start shutting down newspapers and controlling the media to stop these things from happening. No sense in just creating a counterweight, we've got to add more controls, like approved articles from a central authority. It must be done in order to protect our good.


--Andy

That's right. When the two come into conflict, the First Amendment always takes a backseat to the Second.

I agree, but if we put people in backseat, we shouldn't shoot them in the head because it ruins the interior. Better to take them somewhere remote, and then shoot them in the head.

IT WAS A FUCKING BUMP IN THE ROAD ALRIGHT?! SERIOUSLY I DIDNT MEAN TO SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD!

As an aside, Tarantinos dialog in the following scene has to be one of my favourite scenes of all time.

[BigBallinStalin]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/13/house-identified-on-ny-papers-gun-map-burglarized-and-the-robbers-went-straight-for-the-guns/

That's it. I think it's high time we start shutting down newspapers and controlling the media to stop these things from happening. No sense in just creating a counterweight, we've got to add more controls, like approved articles from a central authority. It must be done in order to protect our good.


--Andy

That's right. When the two come into conflict, the First Amendment always takes a backseat to the Second.

I agree, but if we put people in backseat, we shouldn't shoot them in the head because it ruins the interior. Better to take them somewhere remote, and then shoot them in the head.

IT WAS A FUCKING BUMP IN THE ROAD ALRIGHT?! SERIOUSLY I DIDNT MEAN TO SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD!

As an aside, Tarantinos dialog in the following scene has to be one of my favourite scenes of all time.

Oh, you 'ol rascal, you.

[AndyDufresne]

Good work, Mets, BBS, Lootifer, and myself. Our work here is done...for now.


--Andy

[Symmetry]

In retaliation against the New York newspaper — the Journal News — that published the addresses of those pistol permit holders in two of the state’s counties, a blogger has created a map pinpointing the addresses of the newspaper’s employees.

Mimicking the title of the Journal News’ original article, Robert Cox with “Talk of the Sound” headlined his post: Map: Where are the Journal News employees in your neighborhood?
Robert Cox With Talk of the Sound Creates Map of Journal News Employees in Retaliation to Gun Permit Map

He wrote:

The map indicates the addresses of all Journal News Employees in the New York Tri-State area. Each dot represents an individual Journal News employee — a reporter, editor or staffer. The data does not include freelancers — reporters or photographers — which can be hired without being an employee. Being included in this map does not mean the individual at a specific location is a responsible reporter or editor, just that they are a reporter or editor.

[...]

To create the map, Talk of the Sound submitted Google searches for the names and addresses of all Journal News employees in the New York Tri-State area. By state law, the information is public record.

Cox went onto explain that putting together the map has been a crowd-sourced effort between other bloggers and readers. He wrote the map will be updated as more information continues to become available.

He also noted that since the publication has downsized in recent years, some of the names of employees might not be current. So far, dozens of names and addresses have been collected and published.

See the full-size map here.

Another blogger has been curating the names and addresses of News Journal employees as well (via Beta Beat). Christopher Fountain, a Greenwich, Conn., real estate agent on his blog For What It’s Worth, generally composes posts about real estate and home improvement, has been voicing his thoughts on the News Journal’s publishing of gun owner addresses and also recently linked Cox’s interactive map of employee addresses.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blogger-retaliates-against-paper-that-published-gun-owner-addresses-by-creating-interactive-map-of-its-employees/

Wow, a shitty thing to do in the first place, but talk about retaliation. More fear for all involved. Are these bloggers trying to show that publishing this kind of information is legal? Or that if you post this kind of information, there will be threatening repercussions?

Probably a good idea not to read TheBlaze, Glenn Beck is still a recipe for paranoia. I could cry.

Meh, it's just tit for tat. The newsapaper did a stupid thing by publishing the location of every handgun owner in the area, and someone decided to do the same thing back to make them see what it feels like. What's the harm in that?

Except, of course, that the Blaze did both- publishing a link to the list and publishing a link to the list of the blogger who retaliated. Recipes for paranoia are Beck's recipe for success.