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blakebowling wrote:IMO, anyone found cheating should be busted, and reset (both to 1000, no medals). They should be allowed a single option to buy-back (as most people don't actually think it's monitored), and if they offend again, then they should be permanently website banned.
koontz1973 wrote:blakebowling wrote:IMO, anyone found cheating should be busted, and reset (both to 1000, no medals). They should be allowed a single option to buy-back (as most people don't actually think it's monitored), and if they offend again, then they should be permanently website banned.
Found this back on page 4 or 5 of this huge thread. Quite frankly, this is by far the best way to deal with this. No need to have anyone work out what medals where won through cheating. Bust them hard like this and all of their friends will know what had happened straight away.
Strip some medals away as some have suggested is rubbish, who really looks at the medals of their friends on the site and keep track of them. If I went gold to silver on cross map, would anyone really notice. But if I went from Major to private overnight, everyone would. Most players may not even want to buy back the premium they lost. At least not for a long time.
betiko wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:betiko wrote:even a child molestor could deserve a second chance, depending on what he did, you can't label people (never better said) and put them in the same bag without even a trial. I just think that we should trust the mods judgment and let them decide according to the situation. noted, warning, forum ban, temporary site ban, point reset, medal stripping and guessed. Medal stripping is already something they can do anyway. You are basically asking to give a life sentence for any given crime on the site (as if there wasn't a scale of importance...), which is slightly manichean.
Yeah, a child molestor could deserve a second chance but I don't think they should be babysitting anyone's kids without the parents knowing his/her history.
I feel that banning a player would be the equivalent of a life sentence, what I'm suggesting is more like a criminal record, a red flag if you will. I'm sorry to those who have cheated and may find this concept upsetting but you don't know what it's like to not be a cheater and therefore have no frame of reference. You're what we like to call a sociopath.
As far as being manichean, that's not exactly accurate either since I don't necessarily believe that a cheater is always a "bad person" but in an online gaming setting, it's just about as close as you can get.
What I mean for example, to continue with the metaphore, is that you can't judge the same way a 21 year old who has had a consented relationship with a 15 years old and an old priest who has used his psychological power on others to molest dozens of little boys and get away with it. I'm telling this because I once saw an investigation about this in the US. Basically people accused of sex crimes, sometimes not even proved, are on a record that anyone can consult on internet after getting out of prison. They even have a GPS tracker that showwhere they are at any time from an internet page. No one wants to employ them, give them housing, people harrass them on the phone, a lot become homeless ect. They are not been given any chance after accomplishing their punishment, and sometimes for "minor" things such as going out with an underaged being young themselves, their life is ruined and there isn't even a real victim as the relationship was under consentment.
There is a scale to everything. Concerning the "criminal record", just go in C&A, type in the username and you can find any file on that player. It's already quite transparent. Like I've said in this thread, someone getting caught twice cheating should just be banned from the site anyway.
Who are you adressing to about being cheats by the way here? people who don't have such extremist point of views such as the one you are exposing? And yes, you are being manichean as for you there is no such things as shades of grey. You basically want to judge the same way someone who is guilty of let's say secret diplomacy once and someone who created several accounts to play several players at the same time on a 3-8 player game. Just show me the link of a C&A report where you think the mods decision was unfair and you believe a change needs to be made in the scale of punishments (but it seems like there shouldn't be any such thing as a scale for you...)
But yes, someone who has earned a medal through cheating should get it removed just the way macbone said. Other medals that have nothing to do with his "crime" are kind of off topic... If he gets caught a second time he gets site banned anyways.
Funkyterrance wrote:Yeah but some people use a point reset as an advantage so that option is out. I agree that medal stripping is more or less small potatoes and won't change a thing. Most people who cheat do it for points/ego boost, not medals anyway. It's sort of a contradiction, a cheater being interested in earning medals.
koontz1973 wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Yeah but some people use a point reset as an advantage so that option is out. I agree that medal stripping is more or less small potatoes and won't change a thing. Most people who cheat do it for points/ego boost, not medals anyway. It's sort of a contradiction, a cheater being interested in earning medals.
How can a point reset be an advantage? Cheaters cheat for a benefit, either points or medals are the only two real benefits this site can offer for the cheaters. Strip those away, what are the benefits?
Finsfleet wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:koontz1973 wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Yeah but some people use a point reset as an advantage so that option is out. I agree that medal stripping is more or less small potatoes and won't change a thing. Most people who cheat do it for points/ego boost, not medals anyway. It's sort of a contradiction, a cheater being interested in earning medals.
How can a point reset be an advantage? Cheaters cheat for a benefit, either points or medals are the only two real benefits this site can offer for the cheaters. Strip those away, what are the benefits?
If you get your points reset, now you can play as a cook with the skill of whatever level you left off at. It makes for a dramatic increase in points under the right circumstances(use your imagination, as though you were a cheater).
koontz1973 wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Yeah but some people use a point reset as an advantage so that option is out. I agree that medal stripping is more or less small potatoes and won't change a thing. Most people who cheat do it for points/ego boost, not medals anyway. It's sort of a contradiction, a cheater being interested in earning medals.
How can a point reset be an advantage? Cheaters cheat for a benefit, either points or medals are the only two real benefits this site can offer for the cheaters. Strip those away, what are the benefits?
Funkyterrance wrote:koontz1973 wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Yeah but some people use a point reset as an advantage so that option is out. I agree that medal stripping is more or less small potatoes and won't change a thing. Most people who cheat do it for points/ego boost, not medals anyway. It's sort of a contradiction, a cheater being interested in earning medals.
How can a point reset be an advantage? Cheaters cheat for a benefit, either points or medals are the only two real benefits this site can offer for the cheaters. Strip those away, what are the benefits?
If you get your points reset, now you can play as a cook with the skill of whatever level you left off at. It makes for a dramatic increase in points under the right circumstances(use your imagination, as though you were a cheater).
betiko wrote:Regarding medals, it takes litterally years and thousands of games to achieve gold
betiko wrote:also terrence, i ve asked you something: give the link to a c&a report where you think the punishment wasn't strong enough and has lead to a "strike 2".
Funkyterrance wrote:And the Drama Queen award goes to....
*drumroll*
Finsfleet!
macbone wrote:Losing all your medals over one Secret Diplomacy case does seem incredibly harsh, yeah, particularly things like mapmaker medals and tournament contributions.
koontz1973 wrote:macbone wrote:Losing all your medals over one Secret Diplomacy case does seem incredibly harsh, yeah, particularly things like mapmaker medals and tournament contributions.
Things like this should be exempt. You cannot cheat with these ones.
This could be a level of punishment just before the bans. So you get:
- Warnings
- Medals stripped
- Ban
The C&A mods know what punishments they can hand out so it would be up to them where to slot this into their scale of things.
koontz1973 wrote:macbone wrote:Losing all your medals over one Secret Diplomacy case does seem incredibly harsh, yeah, particularly things like mapmaker medals and tournament contributions.
Things like this should be exempt. You cannot cheat with these ones.
This could be a level of punishment just before the bans. So you get:
- Warnings
- Medals stripped
- Ban
The C&A mods know what punishments they can hand out so it would be up to them where to slot this into their scale of things.
Beckytheblondie wrote:Who have been the most famous or most infmaous multi accounts and what were their user names?
We're talking about *manimal in another thread, but I remember duality (Mad Pineapples), Benjikat, Blitzaholic, and PInocheckio. JeffHardy, Fredviii
BexXx
Arama86n wrote:Beckytheblondie wrote:Who have been the most famous or most infmaous multi accounts and what were their user names?
We're talking about *manimal in another thread, but I remember duality (Mad Pineapples), Benjikat, Blitzaholic, and PInocheckio. JeffHardy, Fredviii
BexXx
I was reading the "infamous multies" thread by beckytheblondie in general discussions, when something caught my eye. Benjikat, here claimed to be the multi of Blitzaholic, has played 1700+ games, yet has ONE medal, a special contribution medal. Didn't they hand out medals for standard/dubs/trips/quads/ in 2008, or was he stripped of his medals?
in which case, this HAS been done before!?
(my point being that is is impossible to play 1700+ games, win 50%, and not have bronze medals in standard or whatever type of game he played)
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