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Classic Map First Advantage

Postby TheBaron on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:00 am

What is the best counter-strategy when your opponent takes the initial advantage on the first turn by holding Australia or South America?
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Re: Classic Map First Advantage

Postby ben.cleuch on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:55 pm

I guess break their bonus, but you have played more games on those settings than I have total. So please feel free to ignore me.
What do you think is the best counter?
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Re: Classic Map First Advantage

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:59 pm

I always find breaking bonuses is easier to do before holding bonuses, if you try and counter by taking a bonus they will most likely break you with their bonus troops. Breaking them is vital
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Re: Classic Map First Advantage

Postby Anatolia on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:19 pm

I would agree there. I'm sure this isn't true for all situations, but I think I've found that the "fine, I'll get my own bonus" strategy fails 4/5 times. My strongest evidence is when I have a bonus, I'm much more worried that they'll break mine than I am of them getting their own.

The numbers make sense as well. To take your own bonus, you spend troops and weaken yourself. Next turn they come at you with bonus income. If you break them, you're weakened but so are they.

Of course sometimes you can't break the bonus... Then getting your own makes sense, of course. But if you could do either, I'd always lean toward breaking.

(Caveat: I'm sure this isn't true on all maps, and I'm sure there will be many who disagree. This mostly just applies to classic 1v1, but some others as well.)
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Re: Classic Map First Advantage

Postby Just_essence on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:29 pm

If it's not a 1v1, I believe that diplomacy would be the best, as in staying away from them and wait for them to start looking threatening. Or just say it yourself. If it's a 1v1, and you take over the rest of the world but they are laying at South America/Australia with a heavy stack, you should retreat and put a lot of 1's around them, and they may be enticed into overstretching themselves, and with a handy spoil/territory bonuses and numbers, you could take them out by the next turn.
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Re: Classic Map First Advantage

Postby Viceroy63 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:13 am

TheBaron wrote:What is the best counter-strategy when your opponent takes the initial advantage on the first turn by holding Australia or South America?


If we are talking about a 6 - 8 player player escalating Spoils setting then the best strategy is the strategy of the stacks. That's where you would ignore the Bonus Zone player and in fact stay away and avoid any engagements or conflicts with the Bonus Zone player while you concentrate on building up anywhere from 3 to 5 stacks in different parts of the game map.

The reason is that the escalating spoils would soon out number the troops received from any BZ (Bonus Zone) so that if you just build up the stacks and card on easy spots to conserve troops then you would soon be at comparable troop strength with the BZ player. In fact playing for a BZ in most cases only weakens your overall position and troop strength capability.

Keep in mind that you are not the only player disturbed by the BZ player and most likely some one else will fight against the BZ player. So owning a BZ actually weakens a player because in most cases he has to spend his time defending the BZ while the escalating spoils continue to increase and making one strong for the end game playing position.

This is the Strategy taught by the SoC if you are interested in learning it. You can learn this strategy by reading the SoC Manual by clicking (Click Here for the SoC Manual, The First Four Moves) <--- on this link. Or you can contact dhallmeyer directly and just join the SoC which is my best advice to everyone who is interested in learning this strategy.

If the setting is no spoils then learning how to use the game chat and being diplomatic and making suggestions to the other players would be ideal. Obviously in a no spoils game you don't want to waste time and energy on a BZ player because you only weaken yourself in the process making it easier for another player to eliminate you from the game.

And if the setting is Flat Rate spoils or Nuclear spoils then being tactical or strategic is the key. Being patient and bringing a plan to unfold where you position yourself against the other players and lie in waiting ready to take advantage of your positions on the board. The best plan and position will usually win despite the BZ because if it is Nuclear for example then some one will eventually nuke the BZ. And if it is Flat Rate then again just being in a good position will more than outweigh the BZ's normally. No matter how many troops your receive per turn, it wont matter much if you are in no position to do anything with those troops.

I wont go into Trench Warfare settings because really it's all strategy there. Knowing when and how to attack and build Trenches to keep opponents at a distance from your main troops force until you are ready to attack.

Hope this was helpful. If you ever need help with your games and if I know the settings you can count on me to mentor you (give you advice) in your games. But my best advice is that you join the SoC and learn the strategy of the Stacks first. And then learn all the other settings and strategies.
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Re: Classic Map First Advantage

Postby TheBaron on Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:38 am

ben.cleuch wrote:I guess break their bonus, but you have played more games on those settings than I have total. So please feel free to ignore me.
What do you think is the best counter?


In two player games, which is what I usually play, I generally try to break their bonus but sometimes that is a suicide mission. I've seen other clever counter strategies, such as spreading the initial troops around the board in order to pick away at your opponent's vulnerable spots on the map. If you can hit them hard enough this way, you can bring them down from 7 to 5 on the next round. But generally I say: break the bonus or die trying.
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Re: Classic Map First Advantage

Postby Just_essence on Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:12 am

I agree with Viceroy. The person who will be most pressed to break the bonus is the person that takes his/her turn right before the person with the bonus.
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