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soundman wrote:We could have an SK. I wouldn't rule it out in a game of this size. Probably not very likely though. I feel like there's something off about aage's claim and one of the night scenes. I don't have time right now to go back and look but will do so tomorrow.
Rodion wrote:Scenario 2 - Only Safari is to be trusted while Strike lied. This is tricky, but it would almost certainly lead us to believe Soundman is mafia while Strike may or may not be a busdriver. By doing what Strike did, he managed to protect a stronger mafia power role while also getting town cred for "correctly" redirecting us for Rishaed. In this scenario, Strike may or may not be a busdriver and he may or may not have tampered with previous Safari investigations.
aage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:aage wrote:jonty125 wrote:aage wrote:jonty125 wrote:My crime?
Being on the list
That doesn't distinguish me from the other 5 on the list.
It does. Process of elimination. You haven't claimed yet.
Not my arguments, but probably Doom's.
So, who do you think we should lynch then?
If you, jonty and droz are all cleared, that means we have to lynch saf, right?
Don't play the fool. I've expressed my suspicions in an earlier post, and yes, I definitely think we should lynch the claimed cop because that's always a brilliant thing to do.
I have you down for town but that doesn't licence you to be an ass about it.
Can you quote the posts for me where I said both were town?DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, whether I am an ass or not doesn't change the fact. You have said that droz is town, you have said that jonty is town. You have said that you are town. If all 3 of you are town, this means that saf is scum, so why aren't you voting for him? I may be an ass, but your position is totally ridiculous. I have more questions for you, but I don't even care about your answer. You are scum, and I won't change my vote today.
Question 1: What were the facts that led you to believe that your targets of each night were likely kill targets?
I think it should be mentioned that we shouldn't disregard the possibility that humans and angels have different win conditions, since if the subvert-thing is in the angel role pm but not in the human role pm. It's not in my role pm anyway, I found out about it through Lsu's and jgordon's posts, so I suppose it is also not in Jak's (or violet's, or other claimed humans') role pms.
aage wrote:aage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:@aage: what? Where do we have proof that he was roleblocked?
Exactly. But if he wasn't roleblocked and he was mafia, it would be pretty strange to claim to have been roleblocked, as I explained in my previous post. Maybe I should have stressed that with "claimed to have been roleblocked" I meant "lie about being roleblocked", I thought that was obvious.
All we know is that his vote is gone, so obviously he wasn't lying about that. That lends some credibility to his roleblock-claim by my book.
@SW, see my reply to DY. I think you misinterpreted what I said.
ebwop
So following that reasoning, claiming to have been blocked if he were a mafia watcher whilst in fact he wasn't blocked would make no sense to do... hence we can conclude that either he is town and lying (which is okay, really, since he's town and I won't be voting him) or he is any alignment and was genuinely roleblocked, and therefore I see no reason to suspect him. Watcher is a pretty useful role to keep alive, and I'm not at all convinced that he must be scum.
aage wrote:jonty125 wrote:F1fth wrote:It would be nice to hear from Safari, but in the interest of moving things along I'm going to Vote Jonty.
My crime?
Being on the list
DoomYoshi wrote:In this post aage reveals he is not an angel, and that humans are probably not town:I think it should be mentioned that we shouldn't disregard the possibility that humans and angels have different win conditions, since if the subvert-thing is in the angel role pm but not in the human role pm. It's not in my role pm anyway, I found out about it through Lsu's and jgordon's posts, so I suppose it is also not in Jak's (or violet's, or other claimed humans') role pms.
DoomYoshi wrote:In this post (after several of defending droz), aage admits he does not think droz is scum:aage wrote:aage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:@aage: what? Where do we have proof that he was roleblocked?
Exactly. But if he wasn't roleblocked and he was mafia, it would be pretty strange to claim to have been roleblocked, as I explained in my previous post. Maybe I should have stressed that with "claimed to have been roleblocked" I meant "lie about being roleblocked", I thought that was obvious.
All we know is that his vote is gone, so obviously he wasn't lying about that. That lends some credibility to his roleblock-claim by my book.
@SW, see my reply to DY. I think you misinterpreted what I said.
ebwop
So following that reasoning, claiming to have been blocked if he were a mafia watcher whilst in fact he wasn't blocked would make no sense to do... hence we can conclude that either he is town and lying (which is okay, really, since he's town and I won't be voting him) or he is any alignment and was genuinely roleblocked, and therefore I see no reason to suspect him. Watcher is a pretty useful role to keep alive, and I'm not at all convinced that he must be scum.
DoomYoshi wrote:In this post, aage admits that there is "no" case on jonty. I took a leap and logic and assumed that meant he thinks jonty is not scum (i.e. is town).aage wrote:jonty125 wrote:F1fth wrote:It would be nice to hear from Safari, but in the interest of moving things along I'm going to Vote Jonty.
My crime?
Being on the list
Le sigh. Clearly you're not at all biased when you're voting for the lower percentage. Oh well, your vote, not mine.DoomYoshi wrote:Based on the first post, and his claim of human, and his pretend denial of defending both droz and jonty, I am now going into the 90%+ range of scum with aage, compared to 99%+ range with jonty.
Rodion wrote:Tl;dr: I'd like Jonty and Soundman to claim.
DoomYoshi wrote:compared to 99%+ range with jonty.
edocsil wrote:An Archangel sat and watched the shadows. Shapes flickered in the night, and until now, there were none he could be sure he could trust. He had stayed his hand to long now, and now he must act. He took a massive greatsword from his back. It was a colossal thing, no human could have wielded it. In truth it was never meant to be used to kill, it was a totem of the angels power that he received from Yahweh. He chose his target and slammed the sword into the ground, burying it into the earth. A golden shield rose up from the sword and protected its target against the horrors of the night. So the angel stood until dawn came.
DoomYoshi wrote:I'm cop-confirmed town. Me and Vio are already the biggest targets theoretically.
soundman wrote:Here's the night scene I was thinking of:edocsil wrote:An Archangel sat and watched the shadows. Shapes flickered in the night, and until now, there were none he could be sure he could trust. He had stayed his hand to long now, and now he must act. He took a massive greatsword from his back. It was a colossal thing, no human could have wielded it. In truth it was never meant to be used to kill, it was a totem of the angels power that he received from Yahweh. He chose his target and slammed the sword into the ground, burying it into the earth. A golden shield rose up from the sword and protected its target against the horrors of the night. So the angel stood until dawn came.
It kinda sounds like a JOAT thing to me not a doc role, so aage could be telling the truth.DoomYoshi wrote:I'm cop-confirmed town. Me and Vio are already the biggest targets theoretically.
Unless one of you are the GF... Also there is a possibility that you're on the initial vote count lynch due to the stolen vote.
DoomYoshi wrote:soundman wrote:Here's the night scene I was thinking of:edocsil wrote:An Archangel sat and watched the shadows. Shapes flickered in the night, and until now, there were none he could be sure he could trust. He had stayed his hand to long now, and now he must act. He took a massive greatsword from his back. It was a colossal thing, no human could have wielded it. In truth it was never meant to be used to kill, it was a totem of the angels power that he received from Yahweh. He chose his target and slammed the sword into the ground, burying it into the earth. A golden shield rose up from the sword and protected its target against the horrors of the night. So the angel stood until dawn came.
It kinda sounds like a JOAT thing to me not a doc role, so aage could be telling the truth.DoomYoshi wrote:I'm cop-confirmed town. Me and Vio are already the biggest targets theoretically.
Unless one of you are the GF... Also there is a possibility that you're on the initial vote count lynch due to the stolen vote.
This post reeks of scum. Rather than deal with the problem at hand (which of the 3 is scum), soundman just adds to the confusion.
Sorry, droz, turns out you are town after all. I don't like your recent silence though.
jonty125 wrote:Rodion wrote:Tl;dr: I'd like Jonty and Soundman to claim.
Sorry Rodion, I aren't claiming unless there is more backing from other players.DoomYoshi wrote:compared to 99%+ range with jonty.
I wouldn't be so sure, but then again, I have 100% confidence I'm town.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
soundman wrote:It could easily be you or Vio, or both in some cases.
soundman wrote:It could easily be you or Vio, or both in some cases.
DoomYoshi wrote:I'm cop-confirmed town. Me and Vio are already the biggest targets theoretically.
Rodion wrote:soundman wrote:It could easily be you or Vio, or both in some cases.
I was under the impression that Saf's investigations behaved just like Chap's, meaning he'd be tricked by a possible godfather (it could in fact be 5 out of 12 if Violet or Doom are GF), but I don't really know that.
[color=#FF0000]Edoc, can you confirm or deny?[/color]
Rodion wrote:EBWOP:soundman wrote:It could easily be you or Vio, or both in some cases.
I was under the impression that Saf's investigations behaved just like Chap's, meaning he'd be tricked by a possible godfather (it could in fact be 5 out of 12 if Violet or Doom are GF), but I don't really know that.
Edoc, can you confirm or deny?
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
edocsil wrote:Why would I do that? I can't recall any mod saying GF powers vs investigation. In other news, ill have a VC up tomorrow, but no one is even close to being lynched atm.
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