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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [11.1.13] V9-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:05 pm

Version 9....from suggestions above.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:25 pm

good idea.
could you move any Resource to Humbolt Bridge? there is big difference between decay (-1) and bombardment. the Resource in Green River adds to "Eastern" player advantage because he can more easy secure his bridge.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:38 pm

Oneyed wrote:good idea.
could you move any Resource to Humbolt Bridge? there is big difference between decay (-1) and bombardment. the Resource in Green River adds to "Eastern" player advantage because he can more easy secure his bridge.

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I'll see what i can do Oneyed. :)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:05 pm

I'm loving the tan inset explanations. :D
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:49 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:I'm loving the tan inset explanations. :D

FT, is it the colours you're loving or the explanations? they are good for what i perceive as colour choice. ;)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:00 am

cairnswk wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I'm loving the tan inset explanations. :D

FT, is it the colours you're loving or the explanations? they are good for what i perceive as colour choice. ;)

Both lol, but I was referring to the explanations. This has got to be one of the most "historical" feeling maps to date. =D>
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V10-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:15 am

Oneyed wrote:good idea.
could you move any Resource to Humbolt Bridge? there is big difference between decay (-1) and bombardment. the Resource in Green River adds to "Eastern" player advantage because he can more easy secure his bridge.

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OK Version 10.
I had to move the resources away from Humboldt Bridge so that each side was even, but with this the "Morman" issue is each side of Prom Summit as a resource...Mormons for at Humboldt Wells and non-mormans for at Corinne.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:32 am

the decay is out of gameplay here. while it is not possible to bombard yellow regions now, it is baseless if player will lost 1 unit each round - he will still hold the line...
btw, it is still possible to do decay only to the last players unit? it is not possible to do decay to neutral...

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:03 am

Oneyed wrote:the decay is out of gameplay here. while it is not possible to bombard yellow regions now, it is baseless if player will lost 1 unit each round - he will still hold the line...
btw, it is still possible to do decay only to the last players unit? it is not possible to do decay to neutral...

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Decay to Neutral has not been implemented into xml yet.
we can make the decay larger if that is better.
or we can make 2 bombards and 2 decays.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:03 am

cairnswk wrote:Decay to Neutral has not been implemented into xml yet.


therefore I think decay is out off here.
cairnswk wrote:we can make the decay larger if that is better.


this will do nothing. player will still hold the region (and line). it is baseless if player will have 100 or just 1 army here.
cairnswk wrote:or we can make 2 bombards and 2 decays.


yes. but still - for what are decay here?

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:04 am

A good compromise here would be to make the decays large enough to stop players stacking on them. If you run out of troops on one of the decays, you could not put any auto deployed troops there for the next turn. From Omaha, if you hold Julesberg you can get a +4 auto deploy from Omaha and US Govt Grants. With unlimited deployments you can bung 4+ on Julesberg for the next round. Make the decay so high (-100) that no one can do this.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:58 pm

Oneyed wrote:yes. but still - for what are decay here?

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The decay is to simulate the loss of lives and supplies, and to rebuild what was destroyed.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:19 pm

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Oneyed wrote:yes. but still - for what are decay here?

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The decay is to simulate the loss of lives and supplies, and to rebuild what was destroyed.

thanks isaiah40...

yes Oneyed...think of this.
what koontz has said is correct...you could code it to stop players staking on them, but i think to simulate the conditions properly a balanced compromise would be needed and i would suggest -2 decay.

and...if there is only one bombardment place, then you will need to ensure you have enough troops on your start i.e. Omaha or Sacremento to do that bombardment when opponent has taken bridge first time
...but you are also going to have to deploy troops each side of the bombardment so that you can retake the bridges when you need to at the end fo the game.
In this way, it still becomes a "race" without worry too much about too many other bombardments.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:27 pm

Version 11.
a little touch up....
1. for FT, those resource notations should be clearer now in white.
2. a small bevel on the army place holders

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:47 pm

looking good.
I understand your idea with decay. for me 2-2 (2 decay, 2 bombarded) would be better. the oponent will has much possibilities to attack you. but I am fine with current version if it is what you like :D

btw, did you thought about any "stations" instead circles?

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:08 pm

Oneyed wrote:...
btw, did you thought about any "stations" instead circles?
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Yes Oneyed...perhaps in gfx stage i would add them or see how they look. :)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:37 pm

cairnswk wrote:Version 11.
a little touch up....
1. for FT, those resource notations should be clearer now in white.


They were actually easier for me to read in the original off-white(?) for me but I can read them either way, thx. ;)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:29 pm

Am I reading it right that every position along each line is a +1 autodeploy?

I also think you should add a killer neutral along the way to that people can't just fort their base forward every turn. I would add another dynamic to it.

The "Silver & Gold Spike"...is that the winning condition? Or holding all 4 of them (Silver & Gold, Gold 1, Gold 2, and Silver) is the winning condition? Either way, I don't really like it. I think you should keep the 4 there, make them something other than Silver of Gold Spikes, and add a 5th that can be assaulted by the two "outside" spikes, and add a bonus to the 2 "inside" spikes, if you know what I mean. Give players an option to either go right for the spike, and perhaps grab a bonus before doing so.

Also, and I might be throwing too much at you, but you could also make a losing condition that if your opponent holds your any part of your line he wins too, just to give another option to win (going through all 4 center regions and grabbing one of your opponents regions).

Not that it's not spicy enough, but just suggesting some ideas to spice it up a little more lol.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:26 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Am I reading it right that every position along each line is a +1 autodeploy?
yes, except for each start position of +2 autodeploy.

I also think you should add a killer neutral along the way to that people can't just fort their base forward every turn. I would add another dynamic to it.

i don't understand the logic here. The game is going to be long enough just getting to the end and overcoming the bombardment. Why ad more to it that is really going to be a bigger obstacle...you know they did actually achieve these goals, not put somethings in the way of destroying the line every time a train ran over it, which would be the equivalent of every turn. I think one bombardment from your oponent which can be repeated is enough.

The "Silver & Gold Spike"...is that the winning condition? Or holding all 4 of them (Silver & Gold, Gold 1, Gold 2, and Silver) is the winning condition? Either way, I don't really like it. I think you should keep the 4 there, make them something other than Silver of Gold Spikes, and add a 5th that can be assaulted by the two "outside" spikes, and add a bonus to the 2 "inside" spikes, if you know what I mean. Give players an option to either go right for the spike, and perhaps grab a bonus before doing so.

No, your not hearing the history. There were four spikes driven, which is part of the gameplay. Yes i need to clarify on the map that all four are needed as well as your line, but anything other than that is in my mind not an option.

Also, and I might be throwing too much at you, but you could also make a losing condition that if your opponent holds your any part of your line he wins too, just to give another option to win (going through all 4 center regions and grabbing one of your opponents regions).

Not that it's not spicy enough, but just suggesting some ideas to spice it up a little more lol.

Well, i think that according to history it's spicy enough and that gameplay would be going over the top. So no, that won't be done.
Nolefan5311, thanks for the suggestions, but i think these were way outside of what i had in mind here. :)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:58 pm

Having every single region autodeploy is a little overkill and don't really understand why that's there. You're just putting a bunch of troops on the map that will never be used.

I'm not going to pretend I am intimate with the history of what the map is about, but it's not like the bombardment is historically accurate either. Adding a killer neutral would force players to not just keep a stack at their forward point in the line and be able to continually fort up their starting position (this can be avoided with the bombardment by a player just dropping at his forward point and creating a stack on the bridge by forting up his start positino). That's only going to make the dice that much more important. You have decaying neutrals...not sure why you seem to be so opposed to adding a killer.

All of my suggestions were put forward to take dice luck out of it as much as possible by adding a couple different strategic options.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:23 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Having every single region autodeploy is a little overkill and don't really understand why that's there. You're just putting a bunch of troops on the map that will never be used.


Well i don't beleive the troops will never be used...all reinforcements in whatever sitaution will have to be planned well, so that players can achieve their goals.
and they don't get those troops until they own the territory, so they have to conquer before they can get any autodeploy.

I'm not going to pretend I am intimate with the history of what the map is about, but it's not like the bombardment is historically accurate either.

That is somewhat true, although in RL if they wanted to hold up their opponent they very well had to capacity to do so if they wanted.
Adding a killer neutral would force players to not just keep a stack at their forward point in the line and be able to continually fort up their starting position (this can be avoided with the bombardment by a player just dropping at his forward point and creating a stack on the bridge by forting up his start positino). That's only going to make the dice that much more important. You have decaying neutrals...not sure why you seem to be so opposed to adding a killer.

Well, it's my opinion that it's too much, let's see if others have any opinion about it eh?

All of my suggestions were put forward to take dice luck out of it as much as possible by adding a couple different strategic options.

well i don't think we'll ever do that in any game since the dice are a force unto themselves from my experience. Some people also simply have better luck with dice as we see from Bruceswar on NZ 1v1 game. Lady luck is a force unto herself.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:17 pm

Nolefan5311, the other reason that i don't want killer neutrals used (that i have just thought about) is this...
'killer neutrals', which will reset to neutral at the beginning of the turn of the player who occupies it.

to me this means that a player will never get to achieve the objective of holding his line plus all all four spikes because the killer neutral will continually reset at the beginning of his turn and he wont be able to hold everything for one turn
I could be wrong :)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:10 pm

cairnswk wrote:Nolefan5311, the other reason that i don't want killer neutrals used (that i have just thought about) is this...
'killer neutrals', which will reset to neutral at the beginning of the turn of the player who occupies it.

to me this means that a player will never get to achieve the objective of holding his line plus all all four spikes because the killer neutral will continually reset at the beginning of his turn and he wont be able to hold everything for one turn
I could be wrong :)


This is correct, and something I didn't think about. My apologies lol.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:43 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Nolefan5311, the other reason that i don't want killer neutrals used (that i have just thought about) is this...
'killer neutrals', which will reset to neutral at the beginning of the turn of the player who occupies it.

to me this means that a player will never get to achieve the objective of holding his line plus all all four spikes because the killer neutral will continually reset at the beginning of his turn and he wont be able to hold everything for one turn
I could be wrong :)


This is correct, and something I didn't think about. My apologies lol.


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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [12.1.13] V11-P11 Gameplay

Postby big-bad on Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:32 pm

awesome! can't wait to play
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