Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

[DRoZ]

I am not sure why you continue to have this insistence on tying myself and aage together, Doom. As far as I can tell, all he did was attack your reasoning behind coming after me, while a number of others have done the exact same thing without drawing your ire. I would also like to point out that you continue to try to persuade others of your townliness, without much provocation, even going as far to say that you would be one of the mafia's primary targets, merely because a cop investigated you. These tend to not be the words of an honest man. Now you seem to grow tired of grasping for straws after me, and moving on to other targets, hopefully this is a sign of you coming to your senses, and not because myself and others are beginning to doubt your intentions.

As for aage, I agree with the sentiments earlier, that this doctor claim could be just a ploy to out an actual doctor. I assumed a doctor would be an angel, but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibilities for him to be a saint. This could also be a plan to draw protective and investigative night roles, should he make it through the day. But it would be foolish for a doctor to counter claim.

My thoughts on whether or not soundman and jonty should claim... as soon as we learned of chaps ability, it was only a matter of time before all of us would be pressured to claim, so any mafia on that list should have thought the same and had plenty of time to come up with a well thought out claim, possibly even vetting it through their fellow scum over these past few nights, so I would assume should they claim, they will be good ones. I am certainly more interested in soundman's claim over jonty's, although I recall being very suspicious of jonty early on, but unfortunately I cannot recall why.

My apologies for not having much time to post over the past week or so, I have had a ton of end of year assessments at work due late last week as well as well as many more due next week.

[Rodion]

Why would I do that? I can't recall any mod saying GF powers vs investigation. In other news, ill have a VC up tomorrow, but no one is even close to being lynched atm.

That's not what I meant. We always assume cop investigations not to work against godfathers. I just wanted to know whether Chap's investigation had the same weakness or if it did not.


Anyway, a lot of people want Soundman to claim with a little less players wanting to hear from Jonty. Strike also has a question to Saf "before he continues", which might end up being a lead. I'm going to wait until people talk.

[soundman]

Well my claiming will probably be more helpful to town than mafia. I'm Saint Clotilde, Beloved Princess.

I'm pretty suspicious of Doom right now but will wait till Jonty claims and Strike asks his question.

[Rodion]

That's pretty suspicious.

Anyway, Soundman flipping scum would give some "relief" to the other 3 (Aage, Droz, Jonty), as that would send Strike back to the pool (remember that directing us away from Soundman and into Rishaed is only a town-tell if Soundman is town). We could be looking at Soundman scum and 2 out of 4 among Aage, Droz, Jonty and Strike (again assuming we trust Safari).

[DRoZ]

Should this claim be true, it could indicate a King Clovis character, who was a pretty important conversion for catholicism, lending a bit of credence to the whole third party conversion faction theory floating around out there.

[safariguy5]

I'm just told whether the target is guilty or not. My role PM WC leads me to believe humans can be converted to scum, but as I've said before, I don't need to kill those humans to win. As far as I know, I'd think that a godfather would be immune to my investigation (i.e. turn up innocent).

[jonty125]

OK. I'm Gabriel and I'm an archangel. I choose a target each night and if they've been converted to the demon side, I convert them back.

[DoomYoshi]

Now with all claims out, Rodion can verify jonty's.

Saf has spoken, we are waiting on input from strike and then I will decide whose lynch I support most.

[DoomYoshi]

BTW saf, N3 seems like an odd time to investigate Vio, why not on N1 or 2 when she was more in the spotlight? Was there something that com9 said that tripped you or were you just going for a (more-or-less) inactive player?

[Rodion]

Jonty's claim has freaked me out. My flavour spec for the game now is 18-7 with 11 saints, 7 angels and 7 demons. However, it seems one of the 7 demons works like a mafia recruiter, getting saints to join the demons. This seems really bad and I hope I'm wrong regarding this mafia recruiter possibility.

Anyway, vote Soundman.

Absent any counterclaims, he has to die.

Depending on how powerful Soundman's role is (such as the "mafia recruiter" dude), Strike is more or less implicated as scum #2.

[F1fth]

I am inclined to believe Jonty in his claim for several reasons:
1. Gabriel is a strong name claim and would be risky to try as scum.
2. Others have mentioned the possibility of mafia recruitment and Jonty's claim fits with that.
3. His reluctance to claim strikes me as pro-town considering what his role is.

If we are to believe Jonty then as Rodion has said it seems very plausible that Soundman has a mafia power role like recruiter. It would seem as if he's trying to buy as much time as possible with a beloved princess claim.

And if Soundman turns out scum, then it would certainly cast doubt on Strike's alignment. The chance remains that he was an honest busdriver that targeted two scum but if it turns out he did so and ended up protecting a mafia power role, then that would be almost too coincidental to believe.

So, I basically agree with Rodion on each point here.

Unvote Vote Soundman

[safariguy5]

Based on my role PM WC, I feel that saints indeed can be recruited. What we want to do with them once they are recruited I think we can discuss when the time comes to that, but I will unvote vote soundman.

[NoSurvivors]

I've had suspicious for a while-- however I do believe we have pegged the GF, for some reason.

UNVOTE VOTE SOUNDMAN (the uncote is there in case it was nessisary, but I don't think I've voted yet so if not disregard it.

[gregwolf121]

vote soundman of those on the list who have claimed his role seems the least useful

[edocsil]

VC

Soundman (5) ~ Gregwolf, NoS, Saf, Fifth, Rodion
Aage (2) ~ Doom, Violet
Doom (1) ~ aage

With 17 alive its 9 to lynch

Missed 2 votes.