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nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Noted] DCR

Postby bamage on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:09 pm

Accused:

nibotha

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 12084573

Comments:

In the game chat, he re-posted some comments he made to his teammates. Gibberish about how we were taking advantage of some supposed feature of CC's where bad dice get evened out by good dice. Essentially, he claimed that we were getting bad dice in other games so that we could get good dice against them.

We didn't get angry or respond by arguing. We simply beat them and moved on with our lives.

He then gives us all lousy ratings, including cheap tactics. 1 star for fair play, 3 stars for game play, and 1 star for attitude.

My point is this: unless there really is a feature that would enable us to take advantage of the dice like that (and I doubt there is) this is a clear-cut case of paranoia and resulting ratings abuse.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:37 pm

bamage wrote:Accused:

nibotha

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 12084573

Comments:

In the game chat, he re-posted some comments he made to his teammates. Gibberish about how we were taking advantage of some supposed feature of CC's where bad dice get evened out by good dice. Essentially, he claimed that we were getting bad dice in other games so that we could get good dice against them.

We didn't get angry or respond by arguing. We simply beat them and moved on with our lives.

He then gives us all lousy ratings, including cheap tactics. 1 star for fair play, 3 stars for game play, and 1 star for attitude.

My point is this: unless there really is a feature that would enable us to take advantage of the dice like that (and I doubt there is) this is a clear-cut case of paranoia and resulting ratings abuse.


What makes you think the 1 star rating for cheap tactics was about his dice paranoia?

2013-01-07 00:08:00 - Hamanu: Actually no. You lost this the moment we got one of your team under 36 terrs. A tip for your future hive games: Don't go for bonuses, pick one opponent on the opposing team and hammer him continuously, as you've seen us do here.


Would be a fair excuse for a cheap tactic rating. Not a good one, of course, but if the dude's ratings left page is anything to go by, he generally rates highly.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse

Postby bamage on Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:42 pm

Hmmm... okay, so you're suggesting he may have given us a pass our dice manipulation and is instead focusing his ratings on "not a good" excuse for cheap tactics.

Thanks for your effort and input, but it's a lot noisier than it is helpful.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:46 pm

bamage wrote:Hmmm... okay, so you're suggesting he may have given us a pass our dice manipulation and is instead focusing his ratings on "not a good" excuse for cheap tactics.

Thanks for your effort and input, but it's a lot noisier than it is helpful.


I think you might be focusing too much on complaints about the unfairness of the dice. But anyway, I'll leave you to add whatever other evidence you have.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse

Postby bamage on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:03 pm

I PM'd nibotha and asked: "Do you really think we were taking advantage of some dice balancing feature of CC's?"

He responded: "Of course you were."
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby SirJohn13 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:15 am

Did you and your team members receive any ratings from nibotha's teammates?
This seems less like a case of rating abuse than of misunderstanding.


By the way, it is clear that you won due to superior strategy. In Hive quads you have to pick one player and attack him hard. Once he has 35 or less territories you are already doing well, then you keep going until he has 10-11. Next you pick a second player and do the same. Only then do you go after bonuses.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby macbone on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:05 am

His rating of you was extreme, bamage. That chat is pretty civil, other than nibotha's rantings about some kind of CC dice balancing.

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I don't get the 1 star for attitude, too. If he's truly paranoid about some kind of CC dice rigging, I guess there's not much you can do for the Cheap Tactics bit, but it's all very strange.

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... ame=Hamanu
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... ame=bamage
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... e=bfunny27
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... me=LEQUEEN

His rating of you guys sticks out like a sore thumb. Very weird.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby bamage on Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:44 pm

Thanks, Sir John and MacBone, for looking at this so closely. I really appreciate it.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby Hamanu on Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:50 am

Thanks guys. I was a bit sarcastic in the chat at first (I was positively amazed that someone would think we could "rig" the dice), but my later comment was meant as a strategy advice for quads. Yet, even that was perceived by them as an attack.. Then I just gave up from any further comments.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby Hamanu on Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:52 am

SirJohn13 wrote:Did you and your team members receive any ratings from nibotha's teammates?
This seems less like a case of rating abuse than of misunderstanding.


By the way, it is clear that you won due to superior strategy. In Hive quads you have to pick one player and attack him hard. Once he has 35 or less territories you are already doing well, then you keep going until he has 10-11. Next you pick a second player and do the same. Only then do you go after bonuses.



We didn't get any ratings from his teammates. And yes, that is the strategy we used. He was angry that, instead of deploying 12 on one terr, we spread our deploy to turn 3s into 4s for multiple attacks. Our somewhat above average rolls in round 1 was interpreted by them as cheating..
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby nibotha on Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:56 pm

Wow - you guys have made a big thing out of, erm NOTHING! Pretty sad in my opinion! Surely everyone rates others the way they see fit?! Can't believe I have an official ratings abuse warning over this - I mean over the ratings left in ONE SINGLE GAME! How do you explain the MASSIVE pauses between regions conquered in that game?! Are the near perfect dice just a coincidence?! I bet (if one could be bothered to check) - you would see that these players were in fact playing in other games at the same time as that hive game to balance out their dice. If I am wrong, then I apologise, although I sincerely doubt it. Anyways - feel free to post more about this below - I can't see the posts made by people in that game as they are on my 'ignore list' for what I consider to valid reason (don't think even the virtual CC police can send we warning about which are my friends and foes - this would be a new low!) - Well done CC police for getting it wrong AGAIN!
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby bamage on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:17 pm

I honestly, sincerely wish I could figure out what he is talking about. The "MASSIVE pauses between regions conquered..."

Here's what I think he is saying... that we would wait until we have crappy dice in other games, then come back to have good dice in the game with him.

The implication is that we considered the game against him to be much more important than the other games, so that's where we spent our "good dice."

(Paranoia) + (Delusions of Grandeur) = (Textbook Personality Disorder in the Paranoid-Narcissistic Spectrum)
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby ke_rassa on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:39 pm

I would like to know how this Dice Balancing is achieved???????????? Don't care about the rest of this just want to know the theory behind Dice Balancing.
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby clangfield on Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:02 pm

nibotha wrote:Wow - you guys have made a big thing out of, erm NOTHING! Pretty sad in my opinion! Surely everyone rates others the way they see fit?! Can't believe I have an official ratings abuse warning over this - I mean over the ratings left in ONE SINGLE GAME! How do you explain the MASSIVE pauses between regions conquered in that game?! Are the near perfect dice just a coincidence?! I bet (if one could be bothered to check) - you would see that these players were in fact playing in other games at the same time as that hive game to balance out their dice. If I am wrong, then I apologise, although I sincerely doubt it. Anyways - feel free to post more about this below - I can't see the posts made by people in that game as they are on my 'ignore list' for what I consider to valid reason (don't think even the virtual CC police can send we warning about which are my friends and foes - this would be a new low!) - Well done CC police for getting it wrong AGAIN!
Peace out and keep smiling everybody!


Did you check the dice stats after your move and theirs? Oh, of course not, those would be rigged against you too... :-$
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Re: nibotha - Ratings Abuse [Pending] DCR

Postby Hamanu on Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:08 pm

If I'd have to guess, I'd say he's thinking that we were waiting until we had two games to play, then we'd start two or more games simultaneously with Hive, wait until we had a bad streak in these other games and then immediately switch to Hive to take advantage of the cosmic balancing law.

Wow... talk about Fox Mulder and the alien conspiracy. This is hilarious.


BTW, do we get rid of the lousy rating if the case is decided in our favor? I've no idea how this system works.
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