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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [30.12.12] V30-P20 BETA Ready

Postby macbone on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:54 am

Pretty map, cairns!
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [30.12.12] V30-P20 BETA Ready

Postby iancanton on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:22 pm

it is indeed one of the prettier maps!

the tsentralny bonus explanation in the legend is potentially confusing. if inner ring is +5 and tsentralny without inner ring is +8, then the total is +13. if tsentralny is +13, overriding the other two, then a player receives exactly nothing extra for holding both of the other two bonuses, so why put it in the legend at all? some players might interpret it as giving +13 in addition to the total of +5 and +8.

krasnosel'skaya ought to be krasnoselskiy. krasnosel'skaya is a metro station whose name refers to a street of that name, while krasnoselskiy is the name of the district on the map. my source is the moscow city government's website, which has a helpful map of administrative districts, modified so that -sky becomes -skiy to match this map's convention.

http://www.mos.ru/en/authority/structure/cao/

bogorodskoye ought to be bogorodskoe. this is because u have used the -oe ending instead of -oye in every other place where it occurs. i've been through all of the other names on the map and i've noticed no others that don't fit.

ian. :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [30.12.12] V30-P20 BETA Ready

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:33 pm

iancanton wrote:...
the tsentralny bonus explanation in the legend is potentially confusing. if inner ring is +5 and tsentralny without inner ring is +8, then the total is +13. if tsentralny is +13, overriding the other two, then a player receives exactly nothing extra for holding both of the other two bonuses, so why put it in the legend at all? some players might interpret it as giving +13 in addition to the total of +5 and +8.

i don't see what harm it does to have it there, and there shoouldn't be any issues since the overrides are in the xml.
krasnosel'skaya ought to be krasnoselskiy. krasnosel'skaya is a metro station whose name refers to a street of that name, while krasnoselskiy is the name of the district on the map. my source is the moscow city government's website, which has a helpful map of administrative districts, modified so that -sky becomes -skiy to match this map's convention.

Changed.

http://www.mos.ru/en/authority/structure/cao/

Mmmm. seems most of those names are in the english version.

bogorodskoye ought to be bogorodskoe. this is because u have used the -oe ending instead of -oye in every other place where it occurs. i've been through all of the other names on the map and i've noticed no others that don't fit.
ian. :)

I'll stick with what i've got there since it aligns with what is on google. thanks.

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [30.12.12] V30-P20 XML

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:41 pm

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:18 pm

cairns, I checked ones more your names and here are possible edits:

Bogorodskoye - Bogorodskoe (ian is right)
Maryina Roshcha - Maryna Roshcha

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:52 pm

Oneyed wrote:cairns, I checked ones more your names and here are possible edits:

Bogorodskoye - Bogorodskoe (ian is right)
Maryina Roshcha - Maryna Roshcha

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Thanks oneyed. :) but i'll stick with what i find on google..if you ask me, there are many docs out there that give different spellings and version, so i doubt if any of them know what they're on about, let alone mysefl, ian or others.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:20 pm

First time looking at this map and I have to say it looks really great, I appreciate the unique gameplay as well.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:30 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:First time looking at this map and I have to say it looks really great, I appreciate the unique gameplay as well.

Thanks IH. :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:53 pm

cairnswk wrote:Thanks oneyed. :) but i'll stick with what i find on google..if you ask me, there are many docs out there that give different spellings and version, so i doubt if any of them know what they're on about, let alone mysefl, ian or others.


hm, is Sydney still Sydney? could it be written Sidny because Slavs pronounced it so? I learned 10 years Russian and I seek for these names in Russian pages. Russian never say Bogorodskoie (Bogorodskoye), just Bogorodskoe.

about Maryina Roshcha. I will try to explain this more: there is used ь after r what is soft mark. the r is pronounced soft (in combination with i).
so my bad also. it would be Marina Roshcha, maybe also yours Maryina Roshcha - but here must be y pronounced as in day - soft. but it is not exactly what in Russia combination of r with ь and i. maybe Marjina is the closest for Slavs (who are not use cyrilic)...

so I could be fine with Maryina Roshcha, but Bogorodskoe, not Bogorodskoye.

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:05 pm

Oneyed wrote:...
so I could be fine with Maryina Roshcha, but Bogorodskoe, not Bogorodskoye.

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Oneyed...i don't want to get into this discussion again with otherwise i wil become very mad abo-ut language semantics.
I appreciate you have learned Russian for 10 years, but i am taking that as it is from Google.
End of story. If many other players come in and say it should be otherwise, then i will change it...got the message.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:40 am

cairnswk wrote:Oneyed...i don't want to get into this discussion again with otherwise i wil become very mad abo-ut language semantics.
I appreciate you have learned Russian for 10 years, but i am taking that as it is from Google.


this is how it looks in cyrilic: Богородское - could you find there any i or y?... Russian is "soft" language. the Bogorodskoe is pronounced a litle as Bogorodskoie, but this is mistake to write it so. as I wrote Sydney as example is still Sydney, not Sidny because it is pronouced so...
cairnswk wrote:End of story. If many other players come in and say it should be otherwise, then i will change it...got the message.


...and how much people know Russian?
iancanton was the first who mentioned this (and I found iancanton as person who knows about what he speaking)...

your map, your decision, your mistakes ;) end of this. :)

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:58 am

Oneyed wrote:..
your map, your decision, your mistakes ;) end of this. :)
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Thank-you, yes my mistakes if i make them, and i accept repsonsibility for this one - my decision. :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby Dako on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:33 am

I know Russian ^^.

The correct spelling is Bogorodskoye and Maryina Roshcha. The first one cannot be changed, the last one can be translated into Marina's Grove but we usually don't.

Russian is indeed a soft language but unless you speak it and know the caveats there is no way you can pronounce Roshcha correctly. But for foreigners you should spell it like that so they can at least imitate the sound.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:48 am

Dako wrote:I know Russian ^^.

The correct spelling is Bogorodskoye and Maryina Roshcha. The first one cannot be changed, the last one can be translated into Marina's Grove but we usually don't.


and what is then this Богородское?
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0% ... 2%D1%8B%29
http://www.uprava-bogorodskoe.ru/
http://wikimapia.org/2280487/ru/%D0%91% ... 0%BE%D0%B5
Dako wrote:Russian is indeed a soft language but unless you speak it and know the caveats there is no way you can pronounce Roshcha correctly. But for foreigners you should spell it like that so they can at least imitate the sound.


there is no question about Roshcha. there is question about Bogorodskoe...

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [31.1.13] V30-P22 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:06 am

Oneyed wrote:and what is then this Богородское?


Oneyed

According to google translate it is this. Bogorodskoe But when I put in cairns spelling I get this.

Both may be correct, one may even be more correct, but cairns has done his homework, got one of the correct spellings and this is a non issue.

Considering Dako is Russian, and he has no problem with it, go with your one cairns.
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