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Why aren't priests in jail?

Postby bedub1 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:32 pm

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Re: Why aren't priests in jail?

Postby Timminz on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:38 pm

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Re: Why aren't priests in jail?

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:15 pm

God works in mysterious ways.


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Re: Why aren't priests in jail?

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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:00 pm

I think there must not be enough fire arms in L.A.
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Re: Why aren't priests in jail?

Postby tzor on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:04 pm

Because in this country, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

The 122 priests are "accused" not found "guilty." Big difference.

Why aren't the superiors "in jail?" Because it is hard, many years after the fact, to prove that people did this with deliberate malice of forethought, especially in a time and a culture where people were not aware of the scope of the problem or wrongly believed that these were personal failings that could be somehow "cured" with the right treatment and were generally afraid that publicity could seriously harm the church's reputation and as a result, their financial assets.
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Re: Why aren't priests in jail?

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:16 pm

tzor wrote:Because in this country, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

The 122 priests are "accused" not found "guilty." Big difference.

Why aren't the superiors "in jail?" Because it is hard, many years after the fact, to prove that people did this with deliberate malice of forethought, especially in a time and a culture where people were not aware of the scope of the problem or wrongly believed that these were personal failings that could be somehow "cured" with the right treatment and were generally afraid that publicity could seriously harm the church's reputation and as a result, their financial assets.


So its ok to cover up a crime, if publicity might hurt reputation, or cost money? You're pretty much insinuating that somehow matters, at the very least.

I agree with the presumed innocent, but the reasons, especially selfish ones, are irrelevant to why a crime was covered up, for the most part. At most, it would affect sentencing.
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Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:19 pm

2dimes wrote:I think there must not be enough fire arms in L.A.


I wanna get this, can you help me out. :oops:
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:22 pm

to prove that people did this with deliberate malice of forethought, especially in a time and a culture where people were not aware of the scope of the problem or wrongly believed that these were personal failings that could be somehow "cured" with the right treatment and were generally afraid that publicity could seriously harm the church's reputation and as a result, their financial assets.

I... I... I ca... ca... I can't.. ~rage~
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Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:27 pm

2dimes wrote:
to prove that people did this with deliberate malice of forethought, especially in a time and a culture where people were not aware of the scope of the problem or wrongly believed that these were personal failings that could be somehow "cured" with the right treatment and were generally afraid that publicity could seriously harm the church's reputation and as a result, their financial assets.

I... I... I ca... ca... I can't.. ~rage~


I think that last part he wrote, is in the top ten stupidest things ever written in these forums, and thats only because I can only imagine what others wrote. Since this seems serious, Id nominate it for number one, without seeing a worse one recently.
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Re: Why aren't priests in jail?

Postby tzor on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:28 pm

AAFitz wrote:So its ok to cover up a crime, if publicity might hurt reputation, or cost money? You're pretty much insinuating that somehow matters, at the very least.


No it's not (Benghazi) it most certainly is not. It's just harder to prove a cover up especially when one simply dismisses the initial allegations and the victim doesn't actively pursue the allegations in a court of law. If someone from Microsoft molested you do you go to the cops or to Bill Gates?

There are a whole number of procedures that are now in place throughout the nation and a whole lot of attitudes that have changed as well. But you can't retrofit them back into the past (at least not yet).
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:36 pm

AAFitz wrote:
2dimes wrote:I think there must not be enough fire arms in L.A.


I wanna get this, can you help me out. :oops:

I'm not over protective of my kids like people I've met. I know guys that lose it if someone makes a joke about their daughters.

I have to get out of the thread because I'm going to start getting irrational. I just think there is or were some priests in need of being shot.

It's little kids man, unacceptable!
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Re: Why aren't priests in jail?

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:37 pm

tzor wrote:
AAFitz wrote:So its ok to cover up a crime, if publicity might hurt reputation, or cost money? You're pretty much insinuating that somehow matters, at the very least.


No it's not (Benghazi) it most certainly is not. It's just harder to prove a cover up especially when one simply dismisses the initial allegations and the victim doesn't actively pursue the allegations in a court of law. If someone from Microsoft molested you do you go to the cops or to Bill Gates?

There are a whole number of procedures that are now in place throughout the nation and a whole lot of attitudes that have changed as well. But you can't retrofit them back into the past (at least not yet).


That doesn't in any way explain the part where you suggest publicity, reputation, or financial cost matter in any way, or more precisely are factors to be considered when deciding guilt.
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Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:40 pm

2dimes wrote:
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2dimes wrote:I think there must not be enough fire arms in L.A.


I wanna get this, can you help me out. :oops:

I'm not over protective of my kids like people I've met. I know guys that lose it if someone makes a joke about their daughters.

I have to get out of the thread because I'm going to start getting irrational. I just think there is or were some priests in need of being shot.

It's little kids man, unacceptable!


Ok I get it now. Its not a joke. Its a statement that you want to shoot them.

I asked because I assumed it was one of your one liners. I never considered it at face value.

I dont have kids, but I will say this, Im not sure you are wrong.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:57 pm

Well, there was some comedic intent because, I think L.A. has a fairly high firearm per area ratio if I wrote that sort of right.

I don't care who's little kid is involved, I don't think one of those guys would like it if I walked in. I have felt that way back when I planned not to have children. I can only imagine the reaction would be swifter if it was one of mine.
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