greenoaks wrote:it is the same with running tournaments. successfully completing tournaments earns you points to offset any you've acrued from abandoning some.
can something like that be considered here ?
It was considered. Please take a look at the announcement and the additional info i gave with my previous post:
Obviously we want to reward serious and committed mapmakers, so we're looking for possible incentives (e.g. a prize for having successfully completed 5 maps in a row)..more info about them soon!
It doesn't means you can "stack credits" to abandon future maps, but we might take into consideration the fact you will resecue a your own abandoned map project. So, if for example you reach the 3rd step and after some time you complete the same abandoned map, you might find yourself again at the 2nd step. As said I'm a true "redention" believer.
The policy is not Ten Commandments, it's not written by God...so we can change it slightly if we see that is too restrictive. What I can say for now is to start to live with it, look if it really has a so big negative impact on the mapmaker's production. (i don't think).
I don't understand how people can judge the policy when it has not applied once yet...
Probably the issue is based on the fact the english language uses the same word for too many situations, when my native language (italian) doesn't.
Like I said the policy will be applied with a bit of salt....i'm not going to ban or move any mapmaker on the ladder system without a VERY VERY valid reason. And in most of cases I think the main reason will be that the mapmaker will not update the map for months without giving a reason. To give a couple of quick examples that come to mind:
- Golfe Du St. Laurent (before the contest), abandoned without a valid reason.
- Conquer 500, actually abandoned when it was so close to the completion.
- New Papua Guinea, won a contest, took the prize..then the map was abandoned.
Situation like Golfe du St. Laurent shouldn't happen anymore....do you remember what mess that map caused? Yeah, we did a contest to change something bad into something good, but we can't hope all time that there's a Tisha around that will finish a map just because the original mapmaker found really funny to not finish his own map. Moreover because the origianl mapmaker came after years and posted something like that: viewtopic.php?f=358&t=125279&p=3938977#p3938977
Using conquer 500 again as example (remember that is just an example because the policy is not retroactive)....if dolomite13 won't finish the map he will receive a unofficial warning. But if a day he will finish it, he will find himself again at the starting point. So it is exactly what you're asking greenoaks.
greenoaks wrote:i would just hate to see someone who abandoned 5 maps out of 55 attempts be treated the same as someone who is 5 for 5 with fails.
No, this won't happen. The policy is done exactly to get rid of those "funny" elements that post maps just for the sake of it or abandon them without caring about all the rest that comes with the map process.
If someone start 5 maps and abandon 5 maps...then sorry but mapmaking it's not what he should do.
I'll give an answer to other questions later today, but let me state clear that the policy....considering how it will work...it won't have a real impact on people like cairnswk. We are not so idiot to write a policy to get rid of people like cairnswk, we wrote a policy to give to people like cairsnwk the attention and the time "stolen" by the others who don't take seriously the foundry process.
I think you can get what i mean. Like I said from the start, serious mapmakers has nothing to fear.
Sorry guys, now I have to go...more inputs will come later today.