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bedub1 wrote:gordon1975 wrote:was a boyscout myself and still believe there a great thing for kids to get involved in, {...} but the covering up,and putting the organization before the child is an appalling crime ,anyone involved including those who tried to bush it under the rug,should be put in jail for a very long time.
I've obviously shortened your quote. I agree 100%. I was also a scout. Lets review some of what it means to be a scout:Boy Scout Oath or Promise
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
I consider the actions of the leaders of the organization to be worse then those of the molesters. These trusted men and women were not helping this children, nor were they remainig morally straight.Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
Duty to God and country,
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your family and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.
Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.
DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.
DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.
Did they live up to these requirements? I think part of the problem is that your first duty is to god and country, so the church, the scouting organization, and their god come before the abused. Then there is your duty to other people, and then is the duty to self to remain moral.
The response of the leaders of these organizations, their blatant failures should lead to not only to their expulsion from the organizations, but their arrest and trial. I would imprison any that were all the way from willfully ignorant to active participant. Only a person that was unwillingly ignorant should be free to continue on the ways of the organizations.
greenoaks wrote:bedub1 wrote:gordon1975 wrote:was a boyscout myself and still believe there a great thing for kids to get involved in, {...} but the covering up,and putting the organization before the child is an appalling crime ,anyone involved including those who tried to bush it under the rug,should be put in jail for a very long time.
I've obviously shortened your quote. I agree 100%. I was also a scout. Lets review some of what it means to be a scout:Boy Scout Oath or Promise
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
I consider the actions of the leaders of the organization to be worse then those of the molesters. These trusted men and women were not helping this children, nor were they remainig morally straight.Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
Duty to God and country,
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your family and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.
Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.
DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.
DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.
Did they live up to these requirements? I think part of the problem is that your first duty is to god and country, so the church, the scouting organization, and their god come before the abused. Then there is your duty to other people, and then is the duty to self to remain moral.
The response of the leaders of these organizations, their blatant failures should lead to not only to their expulsion from the organizations, but their arrest and trial. I would imprison any that were all the way from willfully ignorant to active participant. Only a person that was unwillingly ignorant should be free to continue on the ways of the organizations.
the leaders were doing the right thing by the organisations they represented. they were born in an era where these things were not spoken of or admitted to happen by anyone - domestc abuse, incest were treated the same way, which is to say ignored/covered up/looked the other way.
pushing our 'enlightened' views on actions of the past and judging them for dealing with situations in the same manner that generations before them had handled it is wrong.
chang50 wrote:greenoaks wrote:bedub1 wrote:gordon1975 wrote:was a boyscout myself and still believe there a great thing for kids to get involved in, {...} but the covering up,and putting the organization before the child is an appalling crime ,anyone involved including those who tried to bush it under the rug,should be put in jail for a very long time.
I've obviously shortened your quote. I agree 100%. I was also a scout. Lets review some of what it means to be a scout:Boy Scout Oath or Promise
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
I consider the actions of the leaders of the organization to be worse then those of the molesters. These trusted men and women were not helping this children, nor were they remainig morally straight.Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
Duty to God and country,
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your family and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.
Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.
DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.
DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.
Did they live up to these requirements? I think part of the problem is that your first duty is to god and country, so the church, the scouting organization, and their god come before the abused. Then there is your duty to other people, and then is the duty to self to remain moral.
The response of the leaders of these organizations, their blatant failures should lead to not only to their expulsion from the organizations, but their arrest and trial. I would imprison any that were all the way from willfully ignorant to active participant. Only a person that was unwillingly ignorant should be free to continue on the ways of the organizations.
the leaders were doing the right thing by the organisations they represented. they were born in an era where these things were not spoken of or admitted to happen by anyone - domestc abuse, incest were treated the same way, which is to say ignored/covered up/looked the other way.
pushing our 'enlightened' views on actions of the past and judging them for dealing with situations in the same manner that generations before them had handled it is wrong.
How recent does this abuse have to be before we can legitimately criticise the perpetrators and call for their punishment?
gordon1975 wrote:chang50 wrote:greenoaks wrote:bedub1 wrote:gordon1975 wrote:was a boyscout myself and still believe there a great thing for kids to get involved in, {...} but the covering up,and putting the organization before the child is an appalling crime ,anyone involved including those who tried to bush it under the rug,should be put in jail for a very long time.
I've obviously shortened your quote. I agree 100%. I was also a scout. Lets review some of what it means to be a scout:Boy Scout Oath or Promise
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
I consider the actions of the leaders of the organization to be worse then those of the molesters. These trusted men and women were not helping this children, nor were they remainig morally straight.Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
Duty to God and country,
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your family and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.
Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.
DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.
DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.
Did they live up to these requirements? I think part of the problem is that your first duty is to god and country, so the church, the scouting organization, and their god come before the abused. Then there is your duty to other people, and then is the duty to self to remain moral.
The response of the leaders of these organizations, their blatant failures should lead to not only to their expulsion from the organizations, but their arrest and trial. I would imprison any that were all the way from willfully ignorant to active participant. Only a person that was unwillingly ignorant should be free to continue on the ways of the organizations.
the leaders were doing the right thing by the organisations they represented. they were born in an era where these things were not spoken of or admitted to happen by anyone - domestc abuse, incest were treated the same way, which is to say ignored/covered up/looked the other way.
pushing our 'enlightened' views on actions of the past and judging them for dealing with situations in the same manner that generations before them had handled it is wrong.
How recent does this abuse have to be before we can legitimately criticise the perpetrators and call for their punishment?
in the Uk people are just being arrested now,with the jimmy saville inquiry ,and that all happened from the 70,s up to the present day,quite rightly so
gordon1975 wrote:chang50 wrote:greenoaks wrote:bedub1 wrote:gordon1975 wrote:was a boyscout myself and still believe there a great thing for kids to get involved in, {...} but the covering up,and putting the organization before the child is an appalling crime ,anyone involved including those who tried to bush it under the rug,should be put in jail for a very long time.
I've obviously shortened your quote. I agree 100%. I was also a scout. Lets review some of what it means to be a scout:Boy Scout Oath or Promise
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
I consider the actions of the leaders of the organization to be worse then those of the molesters. These trusted men and women were not helping this children, nor were they remainig morally straight.Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
Duty to God and country,
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your family and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.
Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.
DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.
DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.
Did they live up to these requirements? I think part of the problem is that your first duty is to god and country, so the church, the scouting organization, and their god come before the abused. Then there is your duty to other people, and then is the duty to self to remain moral.
The response of the leaders of these organizations, their blatant failures should lead to not only to their expulsion from the organizations, but their arrest and trial. I would imprison any that were all the way from willfully ignorant to active participant. Only a person that was unwillingly ignorant should be free to continue on the ways of the organizations.
the leaders were doing the right thing by the organisations they represented. they were born in an era where these things were not spoken of or admitted to happen by anyone - domestc abuse, incest were treated the same way, which is to say ignored/covered up/looked the other way.
pushing our 'enlightened' views on actions of the past and judging them for dealing with situations in the same manner that generations before them had handled it is wrong.
How recent does this abuse have to be before we can legitimately criticise the perpetrators and call for their punishment?
in the Uk people are just being arrested now,with the jimmy saville inquiry ,and that all happened from the 70,s up to the present day,quite rightly so
gordon1975 wrote:it really is the tip of the iceberg
bedub1 wrote:How many groups support child molesters? I'll start making the list:
NAMBLA
Catholic Church
Boyscouts
Given how much the Catholic Church and the boyscouts hate gays, and how much they claim to hate child molesters, it's funny to see them defending them and protecting them. It's okay to be a gay child molester as long as you are also a priest or scout leader.
Army of GOD wrote:I joined this game because it's so similar to Call of Duty.
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.
thegreekdog wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.
I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.
bedub1 wrote:How many groups support child molesters? I'll start making the list:
NAMBLA
Catholic Church
Boyscouts
Given how much the Catholic Church and the boyscouts hate gays, and how much they claim to hate child molesters, it's funny to see them defending them and protecting them. It's okay to be a gay child molester as long as you are also a priest or scout leader.
thegreekdog wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.
I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.
thegreekdog wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.
I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.
jonesthecurl wrote:thegreekdog wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.
I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.
The suggestion is (please tell me if I'm wrong) that the molestation was of same-sex minors. Thus, both gay and paedophilic.
greenoaks wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:thegreekdog wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.
I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.
The suggestion is (please tell me if I'm wrong) that the molestation was of same-sex minors. Thus, both gay and paedophilic.
weren't the molesters straight ?
Juan_Bottom wrote:I can't support the Boy Scouts, they discriminate against Homosexuals and Atheists. I'd like to see them lose their preferred and tax-exempted status until and unless they stop discriminating against minorities. We wouldn't let the KKK rent a high school room for $1 a month, would we?
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