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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [9/2][V13][P1/7]

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:48 am

Excuse the double post. Hows the legend with the papyrus?
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [9/2][V13][P1/7]

Postby nolefan5311 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:02 pm

I do like the papyrus. However, the stones don't look right (not "sandy" enough?), and honestly, I have no idea on a suggestion to make them look better, lol.

I think you need to make the border regions different colors. I'm colorblind and can't tell the red and green apart.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [9/2][V13][P1/7]

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:21 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:I do like the papyrus. However, the stones don't look right (not "sandy" enough?), and honestly, I have no idea on a suggestion to make them look better, lol.

I think you need to make the border regions different colors. I'm colorblind and can't tell the red and green apart.

Will look into the stones. Surprised about the CB though. Will change after I find better stone.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [9/2][V13][P1/7]

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:22 pm

Why is it so big? It's 42 terts but just barely fits on a screen; can't it be made smaller? There are 80 tert maps smaller than this.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [9/2][V13][P1/7]

Postby ManBungalow on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:14 am

What does it look like without the shadow behind the playable area?

It has a bit of the Jakarta Effect.

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nolefan5311 wrote:I do like the papyrus. However, the stones don't look right (not "sandy" enough?), and honestly, I have no idea on a suggestion to make them look better, lol.

I think you need to make the border regions different colors. I'm colorblind and can't tell the red and green apart.

Will look into the stones. Surprised about the CB though. Will change after I find better stone.

You could try putting a layer of random noise (or basically something with no patterns) behind the stone layer and trying some of the layer filters (like grain merge) on the stone layers.

And you could try messing with the dodge/burn tool and see what happens. It can look quite different if you pick a weird brush or one of the blurry brushes, maybe set it to liek size 5.00 and just go over stuff a few times.
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[Vacation valid until Sept 2013] Classic Cities: Cairo

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:41 am

Bung this on vacation for a while please guys. I am having trouble finding the time to work on it. Should get back to it in a few months though.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [9/2][V13][P1/7]Vacation please.

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:56 am

[Moved]

At the request of the mapmaker, this map has been placed on vacation for a period of 6 months. After the 6 months the map will be considered Abandoned. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Cartographer Assistants will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;-)

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Re: * [Vacation - valid till Sept. 2013] Classic Cities: Cai

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:24 am

Amazing what a bit of time away can give. Next version of this map has no real gameplay changes from previous versions but I have taken what cairns said and reduced the region count a bit, giving some breathing room to the centre of the map.

New look for the board.
Changed colours for the borders.
New font.
Glows.
And more. ;)

Lets bring this one out and get it moved on up please. :D
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Re: * [Vacation - valid till Sept. 2013] Classic Cities: Cai

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:36 pm

Bunged on up!!
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [14/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:39 pm

isaiah40 wrote:Bunged on up!!

Thank you.

Now let the fun begin ian. O:)
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [14/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:43 am

Here are the gameplay notes for all games. The map would need to be limited to 8 players now as some regions have been removed.

Conditional borders depend on amount of territs held by players.
Using starting positions, I will limit the neutrals on the map for 2 player games. All regions not coded neutral at the start will be part of this system (1982 map has it like this). A max of 11 will be handed out. So all not handed out will always start as a neutral 3.
  • 2 players = 11 regions
  • 3 players = 8 regions
  • 4 players = 6 regions
  • 5 players = 5 regions
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  • 7 players = 3 regions
  • 8 players = 3 regions
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    Winning Condition, Neutral 2, 5 in total.
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    These are based on the system set up in Austrum and Vertex. Hold 4 connected regions to get a +1. This will ensure a fair drop but will also dramatically alter the bonuses when players go from one conditional border to the next.
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    The conditional borders will work on a system of continents. 4 will be made with every territory named in and a requirement of ???. These will be named as All borders open, Red borders open, Blue borders open.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [14/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:33 am

Only a clean up of the legend and other parts of the map.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:56 am

I thought we were trying to get away from the floating blob? Looks nice otherwise.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:41 am

Bruceswar wrote:I thought we were trying to get away from the floating blob? Looks nice otherwise.

I kept trying different ways and in the end, I kept coming back to this. It may not be the most visually stunning piece of work but it is something that I like and the game play should more than make up for it.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby Industrial Helix on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:25 pm

I'm liking it so far. But I'm a little disappointed that the most iconic site in Cairo is missing from this map.

What if the pyramids were a sort of key to unlock the borders for the duration of the turn? Make it a killer neutral too. For example, let's say I have 15 territories, so red borders are locked, I snag Giza from the north and then all borders are open. For the duration of that turn, I am free to move about the map and do whatever. Next round Giza reverts to neutral 3 and I've lost my ability to move across the city as I please.

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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:39 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:I'm liking it so far. But I'm a little disappointed that the most iconic site in Cairo is missing from this map.

What if the pyramids were a sort of key to unlock the borders for the duration of the turn? Make it a killer neutral too. For example, let's say I have 15 territories, so red borders are locked, I snag Giza from the north and then all borders are open. For the duration of that turn, I am free to move about the map and do whatever. Next round Giza reverts to neutral 3 and I've lost my ability to move across the city as I please.

Just an idea.

So how would that work, considering Giza is all the way to the left of the map? What regions could attack it? I do like the idea of having a key to unlock the map, maybe the pyramids of to the side, killer as you said but higher. Any region can attack it. Make the neutral high enough to stop early rounds getting it. Nope, I like it a lot now after typing this. Expect this on the map late tomorrow. Thanks IH. really nice idea.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:25 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:I'm liking it so far. But I'm a little disappointed that the most iconic site in Cairo is missing from this map.

What if the pyramids were a sort of key to unlock the borders for the duration of the turn? Make it a killer neutral too. For example, let's say I have 15 territories, so red borders are locked, I snag Giza from the north and then all borders are open. For the duration of that turn, I am free to move about the map and do whatever. Next round Giza reverts to neutral 3 and I've lost my ability to move across the city as I please.

Just an idea.

So how would that work, considering Giza is all the way to the left of the map? What regions could attack it? I do like the idea of having a key to unlock the map, maybe the pyramids of to the side, killer as you said but higher. Any region can attack it. Make the neutral high enough to stop early rounds getting it. Nope, I like it a lot now after typing this. Expect this on the map late tomorrow. Thanks IH. really nice idea.


I am having trouble getting this to work Giza is not well connected so not suitable to have as an area that can attack the map. Anyone got any ideas on this or should I leave it now?
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:11 pm

It has to be worked in and you need to get rid of the floating blob look... Make it seem as if it is on a map!
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:15 pm

Bruceswar wrote:It has to be worked in and you need to get rid of the floating blob look... Make it seem as if it is on a map!

It doesn't have to be worked in and I do not need to get rid of the blob look. ;)

Bruce, I am having trouble getting it in so if you have a suggestion on how, let me know. O:) I spent 2 whole days trying to get it to work and nothing to show for it. :(

As for the blob look, I like it. Always have and always will. And considering no one else is doing it, it does not make it a bad look.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:36 am

There is a reason nobody else is doing it ;) I wish I knew how to them in for you, but I do not. If they cannot be worked in then I am sure people would be ok without them in.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:07 am

Bruceswar wrote:There is a reason nobody else is doing it ;) I wish I knew how to them in for you, but I do not. If they cannot be worked in then I am sure people would be ok without them in.

The pyramids where the first item I drew for this map, and had a great talk with Seamus and cairns over perspective, but in the end, they where a small part of Cairo that whilst everyone knows, is not the only part. IH who talked about the pyramids did a Cairo map a while ago and did not have them on.

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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby Shannon Apple on Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:39 am

I actually love everything about this except the "blob" because of what the shape and texture reminds me of. Think about it haha, you'll see it too.

Since it is floating, you could possibly make it look like a piece of papyrus, torn into the shape of the map. Something of that nature.

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Just a shot in the dark idea, since papyrus is associated with ancient Egypt.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:10 am

OK, map can change again but before I do that, do I get any complaints about the game play?
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8

Postby iancanton on Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:21 pm

not so much a complaint as an observation. with any combination of 4 connected regions needed for a bonus, the open layout of this map, in contrast to vertex or austrum, makes the occasional large dropped bonus possible. as an example, islamic cairo plus its 5 blue-border neighbours gives +15, which is certainly gamewinning if dropped to player 1 in 1v1, while player 1 can reduce it to +5 by conquering one region if dropped to player 2. the original 5 regions for a +1 bonus lessens the consequences of such a lucky drop, with the +15 becoming +6 if dropped to player 1.

no-one has tried before the type of conditional border that u are using, based on region count, so u have to be applauded for innovation. have u considered the possibility of stalemate if player 1, who is losing and has no wish to attack, has garden city, fraggala and the 6 regions across the nile that are connected thru red borders, while player 2 has all 28 remaining regions and is therefore gaining huge bonuses every turn, but cannot attack anything because of the blue borders?

perhaps rename sheraton region as CityStars, if only to avoid giving the erroneous impression that the sheraton hotel is located there. CityStars is a huge shopping, leisure, office and residential complex between heliopolis and the airport,

http://www.citystars.com.eg/project.php ... =page_city

certainly rename CAI as airport.

ian. :)
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [28/9] Page 1/8 GP??

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:06 am

iancanton wrote:not so much a complaint as an observation. with any combination of 4 connected regions needed for a bonus, the open layout of this map, in contrast to vertex or austrum, makes the occasional large dropped bonus possible.

Changed it to 5 connecting. Reduces the bonuses quite a bit but will help keep the games in play longer. Also, another thing with Vertex/Austrum, the odd bonus was dropped in the large multi region areas.
iancanton wrote:as an example, islamic cairo plus its 5 blue-border neighbours gives +15,

Stopped this with the above but just in case, Islamic Cairo now has a neutral.
iancanton wrote:have u considered the possibility of stalemate if player 1, who is losing and has no wish to attack, has garden city, fraggala and the 6 regions across the nile that are connected thru red borders, while player 2 has all 28 remaining regions and is therefore gaining huge bonuses every turn, but cannot attack anything because of the blue borders?

Had not noticed that problem. Fresh eyes are always good. Made the borders near Haram red so that increases the count. Will also make (thought I had) the border between Giza and Kari Tuhmous red to allow the elimination.
iancanton wrote:perhaps rename sheraton region as CityStars,

Done
iancanton wrote:certainly rename CAI as airport.

Done.

Also, a slightly new look to the map.
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