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saxitoxin wrote:_sabotage_ wrote:You haven't provided a single piece of evidence validating your official story theory,
If I say trees can ride bicycles it's my job to prove it, not your job to find a source that says they can't.
_sabotage_ wrote:saxitoxin wrote:_sabotage_ wrote:You haven't provided a single piece of evidence validating your official story theory,
If I say trees can ride bicycles it's my job to prove it, not your job to find a source that says they can't.
There were over 80 cameras focused on the Pentagon. The videos were immediately rounded up by the FBI. 4 have been released. None show a plane. A CIA agent claims to have examined all videos, and signed an affidavit saying none show a plane.
Proof, there was no plane.
If there was no plane, it couldn't have been Flight 77, since Flight 77 was indeed a plane. If it wasn't a plane, what was it? It went boom, it stunk of cordite, it evaded the missile defence system of the Pentagon.
It was a missile that registered friendly with the Pentagon. It was a Pentagon missile.
An inside job. You are welcome.
_sabotage_ wrote:Ok, so what could the warnings have told him had he bothered to take note or follow up on them?
From CNN
President Bush's daily intelligence briefings in the weeks leading up to the September 11 terror attacks included a warning of the possibility that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network would attempt to hijack a U.S.-based airliner, senior administration officials said Wednesday.
NYTimes
The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking to hijack aircraft but that the warnings did not contemplate the possibility that the hijackers would turn the planes into guided missiles for a terrorist attack.
As reported in the respected German daily Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung (FAZ) on Sept. 14, 2001 the German intelligence service, the BND, warned both the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture.
In August 2000 French intelligence sources confirmed a man recently arrested in Boston by the FBI was an Islamic militant and a key member of Osama bin Laden s Al Qaeda network. The FBI knew the man had been taking flying lessons at the time of his arrest and was in possession of technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals, as reported by Reuters on Sept. 13.
According to a story in Izveztia on Sept. 12, Russian intelligence warned the USG that as many as 25 suicide pilots were training for missions involving the crashing of airliners into important targets.
In an MSNBC interview on Sept. 15, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that he had ordered Russian intelligence to warn the USG in the strongest possible terms of imminent assaults on airports and government buildings before the attacks on Sept. 11.
CBS News, May 16, 2002:
āPresident Bush was told in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might hijack U.S. passenger planes - information which prompted the administration to issue an alert to federal agencies - but not the American public.ā
āOn July 5, 2001, according to a recent Washington Post article, the White House called together officials from a dozen federal agencies to give them a warning.
āāSomething really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon,ā the officials were told by the government's top counterterrorism official, Richard Clarke.
āClarke considered the threat sufficiently important to direct every counterintelligence office to cancel vacations and get ready for immediate action, the Post reported.ā
So it seems clear he knew that:
1. An attack was coming,
2. It involved planes.
3. It was soon.
_sabotage_ wrote:67 planes were intercepted in 2001 prior to 9/11.
None on 9/11.
The Pentagon was hit 59 minutes after the initial hijacking. Two airforce bases within a couple minutes away.
You are viewing the scenario in a void, acting as if each aspect is isolated.
Why was plane interception protocol changed during this period? This period of warning of planes being used in imminent terrorist attacks?
Why can we not see a plane when 80 + cameras faced the scene of the Pentagon?
Why was this justification to invade Iraq?
Why was Bin Laden never charged for 9/11?
If you can answer those questions in consideration of the fact that Bush was poopooing the warnings, I will be happy to listen.
_sabotage_ wrote:You're right, Bush et al are angels, may you ever flourish under the magnificent wings.
_sabotage_ wrote:#1. Planes were present, just not at the Pentagon.
#2. Qaeda was a database of CIA assets used to carry out covert warfare against the Soviet Union during the eighties, we now use them in Libya, Syria and other Arab states that we want to carry out regime change in.
#3. The Bush family can be tied to the CIA since it's inception, with Bush Sr quite clearly in charge of the terrorist wing which came out in the Iran contra affair. When Bush was receiving the warnings, it was like one brother tattling on the other to daddy. The anti-terrorist wing was saying that the Qaeda wing was about to cause a ruckus. Bush knew this already, and so just ignored the warnings.
#4. They had two problems to overcome, intercepting planes and the missile defences of the Pentagon. They did the first by revising protocol so the New York bound planes weren't intercepted. They did the second by using a missile on the Pentagon.
#5. I haven't bothered including any evidence since it is just ignored.
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#2.The CIA, Syria, Libya and Arab Governments war 6/20. Changes in the fight against the Soviet Union.
#3. President George w. Bush participates in a battle of the primary air to raise children, we know that the Bush CIA eshtemo Iran. If the parent assumes that the Bush brothers Tattling. The wizard of Oz, said that the terrorist attacks. Bush ignored tisman and veterinarian.
#4. In the United States, working at the airport and at the ceremony, New York including links to protect the beach as the first phase of the Institute. P and n determines the other missiles in the world.
#5. Don't worry, we can ignore the evidence for each component.
saxitoxin wrote:_sabotage_ wrote:You haven't provided a single piece of evidence validating your official story theory,
If I say trees can ride bicycles it's my job to prove it, not your job to find a source that says they can't.
_sabotage_ wrote:Qaeda was a database of CIA assets used to carry out covert warfare against the Soviet Union during the eighties
_sabotage_ wrote:we now use them in Libya, Syria and other Arab states that we want to carry out regime change in.
_sabotage_ wrote:They still work for us, they were created by us.
_sabotage_ wrote:We provided them the weapons, or at least NATO did, quite directly in Libya, less directly in Syria, and covertly in Chechnya, Afghan and others.
If they are using our weapons, and they are cashing our cheques after succeeding in our training programs, and we continue to provide them with cheques, I would suggest they work for us.
_sabotage_ wrote:Excellent, so we agree, Bin Laden was a part of Al Qaeda, or a database, as he was a person who would be on it, someone who was trained and had received weapons at one time from the CIA. He was not the leader of it, just had his own little hub that had once been active against the Russians.
So if he isn't the leader of a massive international terrorist network as presented, who was he, who were his followers, who were the people used in 9/11 and how was he able to succeed?
He is a son of Bush family friends and business associates in Saudi Arabia with a failing kidney losing his small fight in Afghanistan.
Who were his followers? A small group of Islamic fundamentalist who thought they could start revolutions.
From what can be seen of the proposed 19 hijackers, they showed no sign of Islamist fundamentalism. They had few skills. They were open and obvious. Some of them had ties to our military, but that is hardly surprising or damning.
Did they all come from the same place? No they came from a wide area. Were they devout? No, they drank, gambled, went to strip clubs.
He was able to succeed because we had no defense that day.
Are we able to agree on these points and move forward?
_sabotage_ wrote:Wow, now you are back to organization, when you had just admitted it was a database.
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