Attach a "cheater" to folks caught cheating

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Do you want cheaters names marked?

Yes
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Yes, but have it expire after a few months
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby Just_essence on Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:11 pm

I don't see shaming as an effective way of righting a wrong. Public humiliation only further hampers rehabilitation after an offense. We want these players to feel welcomed back into society to discourage further offenses, not alienated, which only makes more offenses likely.
Of course, this means that offenders who aren't interested with being constructive and helpful on CC, or at least decent, will get past unnoticed and ruin games unexpectedly. But isn't that what the 3-strikes-equals-a-ban system is for? Catching offenders who, when past 3 offenses, are more likely just trolls?
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:05 am

Just_essence wrote:I don't see shaming as an effective way of righting a wrong. Public humiliation only further hampers rehabilitation after an offense. We want these players to feel welcomed back into society to discourage further offenses, not alienated, which only makes more offenses likely.


This is the internet. It's different because public shaming is not as drastic and isolating--compared to involuntary, facial tattoo'ing or cutting off the offender's nose. In the RL, the status, "Ex-con," stays forever, but in CC it lasts 6 months.

But we can't have success without trial-and-error, so we could push for 3 months, see how it goes, then make a more informed decision.
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:06 am

What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby maxfaraday on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:15 am

I support this.

Also, there should be more than one asterisk, each one of a different colour for eech kind of infraction.
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby nicestash on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:43 pm

Just_essence wrote:I don't see shaming as an effective way of righting a wrong. Public humiliation only further hampers rehabilitation after an offense. We want these players to feel welcomed back into society to discourage further offenses, not alienated, which only makes more offenses likely.
Of course, this means that offenders who aren't interested with being constructive and helpful on CC, or at least decent, will get past unnoticed and ruin games unexpectedly. But isn't that what the 3-strikes-equals-a-ban system is for? Catching offenders who, when past 3 offenses, are more likely just trolls?

It worked in the book Scarlet Letter. ;)

rdsrds2120 wrote:What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

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I guess it would help tourney directors block these cheaters from tournaments?
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:47 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

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Realize who's a cheater and who isn't, and then respond accordingly. Let the shunning begin!


(this suggestion would increase the costs of cheating, thus strengthening the current threat deterrent against cheating).
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby patrickaa317 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:31 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

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It would make it be public and thus less people would do it, which would make people happier, which will increase premium membership, which increases revenue. In other words, there is some great ROI on this, get it done! :)
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby nicestash on Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:59 pm

I estimate about a $500 revenue boost :P
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:20 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

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Realize who's a cheater and who isn't, and then respond accordingly. Let the shunning begin!


(this suggestion would increase the costs of cheating, thus strengthening the current threat deterrent against cheating).

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rdsrds2120 wrote:What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

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It would make it be public and thus less people would do it, which would make people happier, which will increase premium membership, which increases revenue. In other words, there is some great ROI on this, get it done! :)


Let's follow this through:

1) The current punishment for cheating is a website ban. This is arguably a far greater deterrent than what's been proposed.
2) It would not make the people who have bought back any happier, and the number of people to NOT buy back would be far greater than the very few that I imagine would buy premium just so that...nothing changes for their account.
3) The consequence of Item 2 is a projected profit loss, combined with the branding of of members of our site, providing a constant access to be baited, flamed, etc.

I am very heavily against this.

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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby nicestash on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:45 pm

rds, the scarlet letter would NOT replace website bans, rather, it would be added alongside a point reset.
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:58 pm

nicestash wrote:rds, the scarlet letter would NOT replace website bans, rather, it would be added alongside a point reset.


Right, so since it wouldn't be replacing it, it would only be insult to injury on those who do cheat, thus the deterrent factor is minimal.

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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby patrickaa317 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:35 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

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Realize who's a cheater and who isn't, and then respond accordingly. Let the shunning begin!


(this suggestion would increase the costs of cheating, thus strengthening the current threat deterrent against cheating).

patrickaa317 wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:What exactly would the public do with this information, were it to be implemented as such?

BMO


It would make it be public and thus less people would do it, which would make people happier, which will increase premium membership, which increases revenue. In other words, there is some great ROI on this, get it done! :)


Let's follow this through:

1) The current punishment for cheating is a website ban. This is arguably a far greater deterrent than what's been proposed.
2) It would not make the people who have bought back any happier, and the number of people to NOT buy back would be far greater than the very few that I imagine would buy premium just so that...nothing changes for their account.
3) The consequence of Item 2 is a projected profit loss, combined with the branding of of members of our site, providing a constant access to be baited, flamed, etc.

I am very heavily against this.

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#3 is only applicable to those that make a profit of premium membership. #2 is not a consequence to those of us who are honest, paying members. I think I can speak for most, I'd rather the true cheaters off the site. If it's a misinterpretation or misunderstanding, that's one thing and those people should not be branded but when it comes to long time members all of a sudden having multis, I don't see how it is a positive to the site to strip them of their membership and allow them to re-buy.

If you want to keep people from being labeled as cheaters all together, make the C&A forum decisions private.

Also, if the site is concerned around cheaters buying back, I can submit a suggestion for cheaters to get 50% off their premium buy back. Is that something that would be implemented, more cheaters would be apt to buy back given the discount on premium membership. Right?
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby nicestash on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:42 pm

More people would opt to buy back but not enough. For half priced premium buy backs to be a net gain for the site, twice as many banned players would have to decide to rebuy their membership than would've bought it at full price
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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:05 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:If you want to keep people from being labeled as cheaters all together, make the C&A forum decisions private.

Also, if the site is concerned around cheaters buying back, I can submit a suggestion for cheaters to get 50% off their premium buy back. Is that something that would be implemented, more cheaters would be apt to buy back given the discount on premium membership. Right?


There's a difference between a case in the C&A forum and marking someone individually. Secondly, the latter would never be implemented. It would encourage cheating to get a deal, so it would present a win-win to cheating and buying back.

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Re: Scarlet Letter for Cheaters

Postby Fazeem on Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:43 pm

I thought cheaters were just banned permanetly from the site?
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