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Re: TERRITORY DRAFT

Postby Gilligan on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:52 pm

sdkenned wrote:Concise description:
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At the start of the game, rather than receiving random starting territories, players take turns drafting territories.

Specifics/Details:
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The boardgame RISK allowed gamers to choose whether starting territories would be randomly distributed or drafted deliberatly by players, in turn.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
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An initial territory draft would add a huge strategic component to Conquer Club otherwise lacking.


I love the idea but it's not totally practical. How long would it take to do this on hive with 8 players? As long as the game!!
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Re: TERRITORY DRAFT

Postby nicestash on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:20 pm

Maybe make it an option for speed games only? It'd take a long time to draft out an entire map if the 2 players are online at different times.
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Re: TERRITORY DRAFT

Postby sdkenned on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:56 pm

I think the duration of the draft is not the point... quite the contrary. The point is that the draft, no matter how long, is as significant or almost as significant as the gameplay itself. It adds a whole new dimension to strategic thinking, approach and planning. Such a feature will expand the dynamism of CC exponentially.
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Re: TERRITORY DRAFT

Postby elonpuckhog on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:07 pm

This has been suggested before. I like the idea, but you have to get it to where it won't take so long to start the game.
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Re: TERRITORY DRAFT

Postby sdkenned on Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:24 am

May I ask: why?
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Re: TERRITORY DRAFT

Postby blakebowling on Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:28 am

I could see having this feature either for speed games only, or as a premium perk (not necessarily because of the exclusivity of it, but to keep free members from getting stuck in these type of games).

That being said, I feel CC could do with more perks for premium members.
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Re: TERRITORY DRAFT

Postby chapcrap on Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:18 pm

blakebowling wrote:I could see having this feature either for speed games only, or as a premium perk (not necessarily because of the exclusivity of it, but to keep free members from getting stuck in these type of games).

That being said, I feel CC could do with more perks for premium members.

This. I'll try to find the other suggestion to merge with this.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby agentcom on Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:56 pm

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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby sdkenned on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:39 pm

Though perhaps not the solution, it may be possible to develop a permission system based on medal acheivement... by which players unlock the ability to start and play in territory draft games... as though it would not be a feature that would be availible to newbs.

Limiting (shortening) the time allowed to select a teritory also makes sense, with the consequnece of missing a turn being a randomly selected tert.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby chapcrap on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:17 pm

sdkenned wrote:Though perhaps not the solution, it may be possible to develop a permission system based on medal acheivement... by which players unlock the ability to start and play in territory draft games...

I am very much in favor of something like this... However it's probably a whole new suggestion and may take a bit of work. I'm also sure there are some who will say that since they pay, they should get access to everything automatically...
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby sdkenned on Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:43 pm

Well, even paying players don't get access to certain ranks until they have played enough games... this (paying players objecting to not having instant access to the feature) is not a strong arguement against the idea.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby agentcom on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:51 pm

I summarized in the OP the points against it, but I'm actually for this. I think it should be premium only and one of the things that new recruits can't join. (Or if we put in some sort of escalating "unlocking" of features, this should be somewhere on the scale.) I see no problem even with hive if that's what a user truly wants to play.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby sdkenned on Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:09 pm

Great! What is the process of integrating this feature into the system architecture?
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:57 pm

While I think this is feasible, I don't think it is a good game setting. I played with Draft exclusively for many years, it's not nearly as rich of a game as random draw.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby sdkenned on Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:55 pm

Ah, so you are arguing that this new feature would not expand the wealth that is CC? This is the best arguement against the feature, in my opinion.

While your experience suggests you are probably right, said experience also makes you the best person to expound on the virtues of territory draft. What WAS present in Territory Draft games that is not present in random draw games?

There seems to me, as a person of imagination, that in manual draft games a certain mythologization of the game can form that is otherwise lacking or at least less significant in random draw... the selection of favorite territories, and concssions thereof for purposes of forced blocking, etcetera, are interesting aspects of the game that are completely unexploited with only random draw availible.

I can see how manual draft may soon lose appeal, when everyone is gunning for the same territories with the same strategy, but with CC's wealth of maps, the feature may remain interesting indefinitley.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby nicestash on Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:45 pm

What about the exponential increased potential for farming?
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby sdkenned on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:10 am

Can you expound on this [farming issue] a bit?
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby nicestash on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:45 am

Well, on the super complicated maps, most players don't even know what the bonuses are. A top player could make a lot of these draft games, and by using his knowledge of the map, start with a massive bonus right off the bat. The other player wouldn't even have a chance.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby qwertylpc on Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:18 pm

then dont let noobs play it, they are the ones joining the games, there fault
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby greenoaks on Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:00 am

qwertylpc wrote:then dont let noobs play it, they are the ones joining the games, there fault

if that reasoning didn't stop Admin from perma-banning a Conquerer then it won't work here either.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby sdkenned on Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:24 pm

The positives seem to outweigh the negatives.
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Territory Choice In Games

Postby Eddygp on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:26 pm

Concise description:
  • Granting the possibility, as a new possible Gameplay option, to choose the territories you start with

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  • Manual initial troops let you decide where to deploy the troops you start with, but another option to choose the territories you start with should be available too.
  • Before starting the game with this gameplay option, the player would be asked to choose a certain number of territories, and once he/she finishes, to deploy manually his/her troops or automatically, depending on the game setting.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • Most quadruples, triples or doubles games would benefit from this due to strategical situation, and it would also help standard games in case one player has a particular strategy that he likes.
  • It would give more flexibility to players when starting a game and thus giving a chance to those who prefer strategical positioning to other factors currently available.
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Re: Manual Territory Selection: Choose or Draft Territories

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:48 pm

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The Real Manual deployment

Postby Armandolas on Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:52 am

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  • Before i discovered CC i used to play Risk online.When the game started we had to "truly" manually deploy our troops across the board. And when i mean manually it is really choose the territories where we wanted to be.Then after that is finished, we would place the number of troops wanted, in the previous selected regions.

Specifics/Details:
  • I was quite surprised that CC wouldnt have this option

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • It adds a lot more strategy to the game because you really need to choose where to deploy, instead of it being randomly distributed . That situation allows unbalanced and unfair gameplay. With this the factor of luck is reduced
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Re: The Real Manual deployment

Postby jsnyder748 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:02 am

Ya we used to do this with the board game. everyone would go for australia :D

What happens when someone misses the deployment stage? would it take many rounds to place troops before the game even started?
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