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Mystery Killer Mafia Endgame

Postby / on Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:41 am

Time for another insane game before I go on a bit of a hiatus.
If this is successful we could have another nice little RT game to play whenever we can get those going again.
And to be fair to your sanity this time it's a *gasp* OPEN SETUP!
I've finally found a game to put my "Overeager Targeter"* role in, hopefully this hasn't been done before.



*as seen in "Quick Bad Game" last year
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Everyone in the game thinks they have the same role;

Town? Overeager Targeter
Once per night you must target someone with your action, if you are town, this action does absolutely nothing, but you are required to preform it.

But here's the catch! One or two of you will be Serial Killers, you will not know this if you are. If this is the case, whomever you target will die.

Working blindly you must try to eliminate the SK if you are town, or try not to get lynched before eliminating/equaling the town if you are the SK.

I will take 7-14 players. if we get 9 or less there will be one killer, 10 or more there will be two.



Rules
1. No editing, no deleting.
2. No talking after death.
3. No secret communication.
4. Lynches are forced if there are votes on the table.
5. "No lynches" are accepted if a majority is reached.
6. Days are 3 RL days long. Nights are 3 RL days long. No extensions.
7. I don't care if you miss days, but missing your mandatory action will result in a mod-kill, no exceptions. (you can send a name in advance if you don't think you can't make it.)


Players

Alive

2. new guy1


5. gregwolf121
6. aage


9. safariguy5
10. Iron Butterfly

12. jonty125
13. anamainiacks


Dead
1. Nendreel, Town, killed night one
7. Falkomagno, SK, killed night one
14. sheepofdumb, Town, deadline killed night one
8. thechuck51, Town, deadline lynched day two
4. pancakemix, Town, killed night two
3. rishaed, Town, lynched day three
11. TA1LGUNN3R, Town, killed night three
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (0/??)

Postby Nendreel on Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:15 am

This sounds pretty fun, sign me up.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (0/??)

Postby new guy1 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:31 pm

I will play.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (0/??)

Postby rishaed on Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:22 pm

Bwahahahaaha!!!!
This might be too good to pass up.
/in please. If everyone is an overeager targeter, and the SK's don't know who they are initially, then how will we catch them????
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (0/??)

Postby pancakemix on Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:47 pm

Since I doubt this game will tae much brain function, in.

Be wary: I have many scheduled events this coming month. If I don't show up, yu know why.

Also, not everyone can go on hiatus at once... :cry:
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (0/??)

Postby gregwolf121 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:22 pm

sign me up
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (5/??)

Postby aage on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:11 pm

Bloody hell /, you never cease to interest me with your setups. In.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (6/??)

Postby Falkomagno on Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:51 am

Ssounds interesting. Can i join?
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (6/??)

Postby thechuck51 on Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:08 am

I'm in
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby / on Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:46 am

We have enough to get started, but I'll leave it open for a few more days.
I'll probably start this on Wednesday regardless of the number of players.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:38 pm

I'm calling broken setup.

Everyone just targets the name below them on the list. Lynch SKs.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby / on Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:16 pm

Now now, don't think you can get away with a head start to discussion that easy... ;)
I've thought this out, but if you think you can beat the setup, you're welcome to sign up.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby aage on Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:46 am

DoomYoshi wrote:I'm calling broken setup.

Everyone just targets the name below them on the list. Lynch SKs.

Except nobody will do this. Because nobody will want to be found as SK. And since nobody knows whether they are SK, nobody should take the risk.

You are welcome to try, but know that I will lie. Every day.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby safariguy5 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:48 am

Since I think my active game count is 0 right now, I'll play.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:14 pm

Im in. If its as good as the last one Im psyched.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:30 pm

Sounds like a bit more complex Dethy variant. Cool. I guess I'll give it a go.

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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby jonty125 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:33 am

In please.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby anamainiacks on Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:38 am

Meh, looks like it's already full... I'll join if you decide to let in more, but otherwise I'm happy to reserve (:

(Though reserves probably won't be used eh...)
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:08 am

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I'm calling broken setup.

Everyone just targets the name below them on the list. Lynch SKs.

Except nobody will do this. Because nobody will want to be found as SK. And since nobody knows whether they are SK, nobody should take the risk.

You are welcome to try, but know that I will lie. Every day.


So as town, you would play in a pro-SK way?

That's what I call a policy lynch-target.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby aage on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:10 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I'm calling broken setup.

Everyone just targets the name below them on the list. Lynch SKs.

Except nobody will do this. Because nobody will want to be found as SK. And since nobody knows whether they are SK, nobody should take the risk.

You are welcome to try, but know that I will lie. Every day.


So as town, you would play in a pro-SK way?

That's what I call a policy lynch-target.

Am I town?
Are you town?

I'd rather not discuss strategy with others, but I'll point out the obvious for you.

During the first night nobody will know anything and nobody will want anyone to know anything about them because everyone is potentially a murderer. After that you can take a good guess at whether your action kills people or not, at which point you can adapt your strategy. If I discover I am not killing anyone, I will play in a pro-town way. Until then, I'm afraid I'll have to play as third party. And if I do turn out to kill people, then why, yes, I will play pro-SK.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:13 am

Innocent until proven guilty. 90% likely yes. Pick your favorite defense.

I have a great quote from RainbowDash over at MafiaScum who spends almost all his time breaking Open Setups:
"Any town not organized to proceed with a highly organized plan doesn't deserve to win anyways"
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby aage on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:14 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Innocent until proven guilty. 90% likely yes. Pick your favorite defense.

I have a great quote from RainbowDash over at MafiaScum who spends almost all his time breaking Open Setups:
"Any town not organized to proceed with a highly organized plan doesn't deserve to win anyways"

Nobody knows they're town until after night 1, though. And lying during day 2 is necessary in order to ensure your own survival regardless of your alignment... especially since all lynches in this game will be based on wifom and only wifom.

However, I haven't seen you on the signup list yet. You think you can beat a universal anti-town strategy? Good luck.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:29 am

Either everyone plays along and the SKs lose or it's totally random lynch patterns.

I could eliminate any knowledge of me being SK by having my sister do the random.org target and pm and play as if I were town.

Why would I want to play a game where I can win 100% with a strategy that players are too obstinate to use, or ~100% lose because I have no information whatsoever to base my lynches on?

See Quantum Werewolf for an experiment very similar to this. However, the creator realized the importance of a cop if there are no hints about the scum.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby aage on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:38 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Either everyone plays along and the SKs lose or it's totally random lynch patterns.

I could eliminate any knowledge of me being SK by having my sister do the random.org target and pm and play as if I were town.

Why would I want to play a game where I can win 100% with a strategy that players are too obstinate to use, or ~100% lose because I have no information whatsoever to base my lynches on?

See Quantum Werewolf for an experiment very similar to this. However, the creator realized the importance of a cop if there are no hints about the scum.

Of the two options, I would pick the second. Also, ~100% in this case is around 87%.

It's a prisoner's dilemma. If the rest of the town plays according to your strategy, I can increase my personal winning odds by lying to town in order to determine if I am the serial killer. If the rest of town lies, I have no interest in playing along as that would put me in a position of disadvantage.

So there you have it. And sign up already.
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Re: Mystery Killer Mafia Signup (8/??)

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:41 am

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Either everyone plays along and the SKs lose or it's totally random lynch patterns.

I could eliminate any knowledge of me being SK by having my sister do the random.org target and pm and play as if I were town.

Why would I want to play a game where I can win 100% with a strategy that players are too obstinate to use, or ~100% lose because I have no information whatsoever to base my lynches on?

See Quantum Werewolf for an experiment very similar to this. However, the creator realized the importance of a cop if there are no hints about the scum.

Of the two options, I would pick the second. Also, ~100% in this case is around 87%.

It's a prisoner's dilemma. If the rest of the town plays according to your strategy, I can increase my personal winning odds by lying to town in order to determine if I am the serial killer. If the rest of town lies, I have no interest in playing along as that would put me in a position of disadvantage.

So there you have it. And sign up already.


The thing is the order has to be decided day 1 before you know whether or not you are SK.

Now the second option. Let's all just random.org our lynches everyday and random target at night. I can do that in R without needing to play mafia.
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