VioIet wrote:Hmm, Rodion, I know you aren't a native speaker of English, so perhaps that's where the confusion lies.
Rodion wrote:You're Jack, town vigilante. You watch the world succumb in chaos and you can no longer stand it. You decided to take it upon yourself to cleanse humanity of all evil.
Rodion wrote:You missed the point. The issue is not verbal tenses, but taking an useless flavour piece from your role PM and misleading everyone.
Rodion wrote: It should be obvious that the "trying to live life" bit of your PM was just for flavour, but you managed to make the point that your saint was alive when all catholic saints are, by definition, dead. The expectation was that you were either the Pope or some other really good-hearted contemporary human being, not some lady who died more than 500 years ago.
Rodion wrote:After you fully claimed and I went back to reading every post of yours to see whether the claim was compatible to the way you had been playing (something I always do as it may help see through a fakeclaim), I noticed the contradiction. Sucks that you had to feel threatened and vote me, but I'm not going to let something as fishy as your claim fly just because I had someone else higher in my suspicion list (do notice that nothing kept me from asking multiple questions to multiple people simulteaneously - the fact I asked you a question did not stop me from also interrogating PCM, which I did).
Rodion wrote:Not sure if you'll understand, so I'll agree with the recommendation that you bury it.
aage wrote:VioIet wrote:Hmm, Rodion, I know you aren't a native speaker of English, so perhaps that's where the confusion lies.
No offense but now you're just being spiteful.
aage wrote:Since, to my knowledge, everyone was confused by your claim, you also seem to be suggesting that all the players in this game must be non native speakers, or just suck at their mother tongue
aage wrote:While all that happened was that you just focussed on trivial details in your role pm that had nothing to do with the game. You ignore meta but do choose to go into the flavour of your pm? That is simply hypocritical.
aage wrote:But I am also on the verge of being spiteful so I will stop this battle of having the last word now.
safariguy5 wrote:To perhaps steer this discussion a bit more into the realm of mafia and less on grammar, I'm a bit curious as to why Vio didn't look up her role?
safariguy5 wrote:And if you yourself do not take the time to check the flavor of your role, then when someone else cites outside sources, surely it wouldn't hurt to at least affirm or deny the information provided by someone else.
safariguy5 wrote:Part of this has to do with find out fakeclaims. We know that mafia may have to fakeclaim from time to time, and if roleflavor does not support the claim well, then that may be a hint that the person is faking.
safariguy5 wrote:I have to say that I didn't initially see too much with Vio's claim, but the defensive nature of her response and apparent complete unwillingness to accept any outside attempts at clarification made me think twice.
safariguy5 wrote:If it weren't for the earlier innocent result and the fact that I thought we had better leads, I might have believed she was faking.
safariguy5 wrote:So in conclusion Vio, I think that your initial claim may have been a poor choice of wording
safariguy5 wrote:but you compounded the issue by the subsequent defense and failure to do a little research into your own role to provide some substance/rationale.
I agree that your zealous adherence to truthfulness about your role would mean that you don't care about wiki. However, if for example someone claimed to be Archangel George W. Bush (or Archangel Barack Obama, if you think I'm trying to bring politics into it which I am not, sake of example), would you let them live? Archangel Daniel Tosh? Archangel Brad Pitt? Of course not. The flavour does not fit the theme. This is because flavour is important in flavoured games, it is there for a reason. You elect to ignore this while the rest of the players (the rest of TOWN) actually thinks it's significant. In my experience it is simply stupid to ignore anything the town has to bring to the table on the matter and stubbornly continue down your own narrow-minded path. If I had claimed to be Baal, archdemon town vigilante, and discarded any accusations "because that's what's in my role pm", how long do you think I would have lived?VioIet wrote:If I know my role, then I know it. Period. I don't care what Rodion or Wiki says.
Nothing, because you would be absolutely barking mad to actually claim that role. If someone claims to be the known antagonist in a themed game, obviously he is going to get lynched. Roles have names for a reason, that is why theme games usually end up in massclaims to root out the most obvious scum.VioIet wrote:Wiki could say, hypothetically, that Saint Catherine was really some twisted demon. However, it doesn't change that my role pm said living saint. If a situation like that occurred, what could I possibly say in defense?
...your role pm never contradicted wiki... In the flavour of the game, yes, obviously the character "Catherine of blablabla" is alive. However, the actual Catherine of Blablabla is dead, which was what we were talking about at the timeVioIet wrote:I had to defend against something that wiki said when my role pm says something different?
When is Mafia ever? Fairness has nothing to do with it.VioIet wrote:How is that even fair?
It is to my understanding that Saints can be classified as humans in this game. My character is still alive- meaning I'm not the type of Saint who has already died, and people are praying to him/her.
My character is still alive- meaning I'm not the type of Saint who has already died, and people are praying to him/her.
meaning I'm not the type of Saint who has already died, and people are praying to him/her.
I'm not the type of Saint who has already died
I am sure you of all people will enjoy the dramatic effect.wikipedia wrote:[Catherine] died in [Genoa] in 1510.
If you admit you suck at them, why do you still believe you said nothing out of place or confusing?VioIet wrote:This is actually one reason why I tend to avoid theme based games. I totally suck at them, especially because I can't be bothered to read wikipedia
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