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josko.ri wrote:Chariot of Fire wrote:josko.ri wrote:Chariot of Fire wrote:Yeah, coz it's well-known that we can consistently roll better dice than our opponents 9 times out of 10
Nope, with that high skill difference, in average 5 of 10 times you will roll better dice, and 4 of 10 times you will outplay them even with worse dice.
Have to just correct you there mate. If we get better dice 50% of the time (fair average, right) it means we get worse dice in 5 of 10 games That means we'd have to beat them tactically in 4 out of 5 games, not 4 out of 10.
Whichever way the numbers are computed, the simple fact is a win rate of 90% is unfeasible. Not when the oppo choose half the maps.
You are again wrong, because the same like you expect to win 4 of 5 with bad dice, you can also lose some of the 5 with "better" dice. Did it never happen to you to lose when you rolled better dice? So still, You need in average win 4 of 10 where you have lower dice, and 5 of 10 when you have better dice but you still need to play well to make it win because it is also possible to lose with better dice.
However it is, the same is to everyone. We have just achieved 100% win rate in away field vs #37 clan when they chose ALL the maps, so if we are able to do so, then you for sure should be able to win over 90% on half home half away field vs #43 clan if you wish to jump over us in scoreboard. If not, well second place in scoreboard is still a good rank.eddie2 wrote:and josko this is not the same as option 3... option 3 was still a event that would last longer than a year...
Aaand again you are wrong. 25 clans in each tournament (which you proposed) would need 5 rounds to be finished, plus additional round where winners of each tournament play for ultimate winner = 6 total rounds. Option 3 also had 6 total rounds, so how it makes my proposal longer than your proposal? In fact, my proposal would made tournament shorter than 1 year because new edition would be possible to start before the old edition ends, because semifinalists and finalists of previous edition would not play 2 opening rounds of new edition. With your proposal it is impossible, we would need to wait to finish all 5+1 rounds before starting new edition, so my proposal would actually last way LESS than you proposal. As I said, not everyone is able to read between lines and therefore it is not weird that they make wrong conclusions.
You are again wrong, because the same like you expect to win 4 of 5 with bad dice, you can also lose some of the 5 with "better" dice.
We have just achieved 100% win rate in away field vs #37 clan when they chose ALL the maps, so if we are able to do so, then you for sure should be able to win over 90% on half home half away field vs #43 clan if you wish to jump over us in scoreboard
niMic wrote:Josko is from the Balkans. I don't think we need to measure to know who would win.
crispybits wrote:Divine nazi alien time travelling zombie scientists? Sounds good to me
Chariot of Fire wrote:I fail to see the logic of your argument, or are you insinuating it's possible for a clan to maintain a win rate of 80+%? If so I shall happily stick some stats in your face.
silversun6 wrote:niMic wrote:Josko is from the Balkans. I don't think we need to measure to know who would win.
now lets start a 19 pages "discussion" about geography, anatomy, religion, mathematics, aliens and Nazis...
Chariot of Fire wrote:And there you go with the ridicule again. Classy. We still beat you though, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for your "to prove my statements" comment.....what you have quoted proves nothing. You are just cherry-picking your own stats, not the stats of your clan. I'm pretty sure if I look at KORT's record I'd find examples where it failed to record an 80%+ win rate against the lesser-ranked clans. Am I right?
Chariot of Fire wrote:Oh...and thanks for keeping tabs on my playing record, fanboy. At 13-23 in the last two challenges I really should be a cook with that win rate, but I'm not. Must be something to do with your method of counting and how you choose to be conveniently selective.
Yup, 31/29 with accepting the last win gifted from the site glitch. Classy, you must be proud of it
My statement is that if it is possible for a player to achieve high win rate, then it is also possible for a clan to do it.
About KORT vs lesser-ranked clan you can find results lower than 80%,
jetsetwilly wrote:I will post below the draft for vote 2 that the CD's spent much time discussing yesterday.
We were keen to both maintain the democratic process we set out but also to try to get this a little closer to the middle if we could. We also need a swift resolution, we can't have votes going on forever.
We believe this is the closest we could get to achieving that goal.
Run off vote:
We have noted all the feedback on the cup format and as we proceed with the run off vote we have made a small change that we hope will take us closer to a middle ground on what is clearly a divisive issue.
You have 48 hours to make your choice. Please vote 1 or 2, you should not distinguish between a and b
If either option takes more than 75% of the total vote then it is declared the outright winner.
If Option 1 wins but takes less than 75% of the total vote then we will proceed with option 1 b which does introduce a significant random element purely to round 1.
If Option 2 wins but takes less than 75% of the total vote then we will proceed with option 2 b which introduces a significant seeded element purely to round 1.
In all cases we are assuming a play in round to get us down to 32 clans. All seeding will be taken from the F400 at the agreed start point.
If more than 32 clans do enter, then we can review the chosen option to see if a play in round was the most appropriate or if the system can be modified to cope with a different number.
1.Seeded bracket system
Option 1a uses a strict seeding method for the entire bracket to pair the clans.
Option 1b uses seeding for the top half of the bracket to pair the clans with a randomly drawn opponent.
2. An entirely random draw for every round.
Option 2a - Full random for every round
Option 2b - The top 8 seeded clans are kept apart in round 1. The other x clans are paired randomly. All remaining rounds will see the clans paired randomly.
josko.ri wrote:Sorry all for being off-topic in last comments, as at the end it went far away from the thread topic, so the ill speaking and turning true facts into false conclusions from the paranoia man I am going to ignore from now on.
However, I would like to applaud for CDs for finding very good final solution of format proposals. It was very hard task to find mid ground among so many diverse opinions, and I think the last official suggestion which went to voting was the best way to find the middle ground in order to satisfy the most clans.
Just to point out, this statement is coming from person whose format proposal got the lowest total votes in last voting round, so if I am biased only to my own opinion, then I would for sure not support anything else other than my opinion, what majority of you are unfortunately doing.jetsetwilly wrote:
If either option takes more than 75% of the total vote then it is declared the outright winner.
If Option 1 wins but takes less than 75% of the total vote then we will proceed with option 1 b which does introduce a significant random element purely to round 1.
If Option 2 wins but takes less than 75% of the total vote then we will proceed with option 2 b which introduces a significant seeded element purely to round 1.
Vid_FISO wrote:josko.ri wrote:Sorry all for being off-topic in last comments, as at the end it went far away from the thread topic, so the ill speaking and turning true facts into false conclusions from the paranoia man I am going to ignore from now on.
However, I would like to applaud for CDs for finding very good final solution of format proposals. It was very hard task to find mid ground among so many diverse opinions, and I think the last official suggestion which went to voting was the best way to find the middle ground in order to satisfy the most clans.
Just to point out, this statement is coming from person whose format proposal got the lowest total votes in last voting round, so if I am biased only to my own opinion, then I would for sure not support anything else other than my opinion, what majority of you are unfortunately doing.jetsetwilly wrote:
If either option takes more than 75% of the total vote then it is declared the outright winner.
If Option 1 wins but takes less than 75% of the total vote then we will proceed with option 1 b which does introduce a significant random element purely to round 1.
If Option 2 wins but takes less than 75% of the total vote then we will proceed with option 2 b which introduces a significant seeded element purely to round 1.
Personally I find this a terrible way to go about things, those that favour one of the (b) options but would not be prepared to participate if one of the (a) options win are forced to wait until the last minute and change their vote should one option be running at over 75%, if too many decide to do that in the dying seconds then what the majority would be willing to accept might not win at all.
freakns wrote:freakns: hey guys, we need to vote again
Otpisani Member 1: again? about what this time?
freakns: CCup format
OM 2: havent we vote about it just a week ago?
freakns: yes! we have!
OM 2: then why do we vote again?
freakns: well, they change the voting system
OM 3: reasonable, its not like first one was any good. and its not like they done anything right from first try
OM 2: yeah, i can see why they have done that. well, you know our vote, just tell them same thing again
freakns: well... thats kind of a problem. we are having different options and system this time.
OM 2: what do you mean?
freakns: well, we dont have straight forward like we did. its more like we have 1b which is pretty much same as 2b, then we have 1a and 2a, which are completely opposite.
OM 1: well, whats the option thats closest to what we had?
freakns: 1a
OM 1: then vote for it!
freakns: i cant...
OM 2: what do you mean you cant? have they finally ban you?
freakns: no, no, we can choose between 1 and 2, then CD will decide weather or not its going to be a or b option.
OM 1: well happy aprils fools to you too!
OM 2: good one freak, you almost got me this time!
OM 3: lol you bastard, i thought for a second you are serious!
freakns: guys, but i am... guys... guys???
freakns wrote:
so, there is my vote, and they can stick it where sun doesnt shine!
also, i will not vote again on any issue. not me, not any other member of Otpisani. im putting this here, not on CDF subforum cause i said i will not post there again after one of CDs took a liberty to insult one of the members(not me) only because that member disagreed with him.(it was worst possible thing, first insulting him, then tell him not to speak again, because he has the power and he isnt going to listen to him anymore... f-ing shit) and id like to say his words are worse then any josko and COF have exchanged, the same CDs who thought their language is inappropriate and now behaving in much worse manner.
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