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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby BGtheBrain on Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:28 pm

and email?

sorry for the double post
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby eddie2 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:30 pm

BGtheBrain wrote:and email?

sorry for the double post


lol na your imagining it
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Leehar on Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:41 pm

jetsetwilly wrote:Tally so far:

Option 1 6
Option 2 11
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby eddie2 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:47 pm

Leehar wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:Tally so far:

Option 1 6
Option 2 11


i will tell you aka vote here then it will be option2a stick option 2b because it has nothing to do with total random draws....... people voting for total random draw are wanting top ranked clans to hopefully get drawn against each other making it there are less of them about
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Vid_FISO on Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:56 pm

eddie2 wrote:
Leehar wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:Tally so far:

Option 1 6
Option 2 11


i will tell you aka vote here then it will be option2a stick option 2b because it has nothing to do with total random draws....... people voting for total random draw are wanting top ranked clans to hopefully get drawn against each other making it there are less of them about


Not really true, 1a and 1b are effectively no different (and could be virtually identical) which only leaves option 2 for us, which could still turn out no differently at all. Can't speak for the whole clan, but we were quite prepared to go down a compromise route if one of the many suggestions that have been totally by-passed were pursued and developed.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby eddie2 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:19 pm

Vid_FISO wrote:
eddie2 wrote:
Leehar wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:Tally so far:

Option 1 6
Option 2 11


i will tell you aka vote here then it will be option2a stick option 2b because it has nothing to do with total random draws....... people voting for total random draw are wanting top ranked clans to hopefully get drawn against each other making it there are less of them about


Not really true, 1a and 1b are effectively no different (and could be virtually identical) which only leaves option 2 for us, which could still turn out no differently at all. Can't speak for the whole clan, but we were quite prepared to go down a compromise route if one of the many suggestions that have been totally by-passed were pursued and developed.


vid fiso the total random that was added as option 2 was for most clans who have been asking for it last year and this year, a majority of them clans wanted it for the chance to see a final/ semi final and quater final not have just the top 10 clans involved. the clans that wanted it wanted the slight chance some of these clans would face off in round 1. which has been taken out of the equation in option 2b which is not what was wanted.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Vid_FISO on Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:44 pm

eddie2 wrote:
Vid_FISO wrote:
eddie2 wrote:
Leehar wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:Tally so far:

Option 1 6
Option 2 11


i will tell you aka vote here then it will be option2a stick option 2b because it has nothing to do with total random draws....... people voting for total random draw are wanting top ranked clans to hopefully get drawn against each other making it there are less of them about


Not really true, 1a and 1b are effectively no different (and could be virtually identical) which only leaves option 2 for us, which could still turn out no differently at all. Can't speak for the whole clan, but we were quite prepared to go down a compromise route if one of the many suggestions that have been totally by-passed were pursued and developed.


vid fiso the total random that was added as option 2 was for most clans who have been asking for it last year and this year, a majority of them clans wanted it for the chance to see a final/ semi final and quater final not have just the top 10 clans involved. the clans that wanted it wanted the slight chance some of these clans would face off in round 1. which has been taken out of the equation in option 2b which is not what was wanted.


I can understand that as a clan leader you would prefer that your clan had a 25% chance of facing a top 8 clan in the first round rather than it be a 100% certainty. With the top 8 being seeded it's a 33% chance of being drawn against one of them, so still a 66% chance of avoiding them. I'm not going to work it out but I'd say that the chances of having the semis made up from the top 8 are still quite high, if there are no giant kills - a 41 match war doesn't equate to an FA Cup tie where the lower league side can park the bus and nick a winning goal, or out play complacent higher league opponents (although I guess at a very big stretch it could happen).
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby jetsetwilly on Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:53 pm

1b offers a definite improvement for the clans at the bottom of the pile but clearly only really in round 1.

95% of the time the clans in the bottom 8 are unlikely to have any chance when playing the top 8 in round 1.

1 v 32, 2 v 31, that's almost always going to be the tournament over and done with in one round for those clans.

There's no guarantee that won't still be the case but you can be sure that clan 32 will at least go into a match up with clan 18 thinking they have a decent chance
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Qwert on Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:10 pm

he-he its look that option 3 give almost best chances for low teams to make in top 16.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby crispybits on Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:33 pm

jetsetwilly wrote:1b offers a definite improvement for the clans at the bottom of the pile but clearly only really in round 1.

95% of the time the clans in the bottom 8 are unlikely to have any chance when playing the top 8 in round 1.

1 v 32, 2 v 31, that's almost always going to be the tournament over and done with in one round for those clans.

There's no guarantee that won't still be the case but you can be sure that clan 32 will at least go into a match up with clan 18 thinking they have a decent chance


Criticism of 1a: The top half of the clans are guaranteed an easier draw in round 1, and the bottom half of the clans are guaranteed a tougher draw. How does option 1b deal with that criticism?

Criticism of 2a: The competition loses balance (you could get to the final without playing a top clan) and scheduling becomes a nightmare because every round has to wait until the previous round is totally decided. In addition, luck becomes the over-riding factor. How does option 2b deal with those criticisms?

Think through the compromise options a bit better and you might not have both sides shouting from the rooftops about the fact that the likely end result, whichever compromise it ends up being, will not actually address the criticisms of the two extreme systems.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:35 pm

locked as this is being discussed with rds.
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