Conquer Club

MapRank Oddity

Have suggestion for a new or old tool/enhancement? Come on in!

Moderator: Tech Team

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

MapRank Oddity

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:34 pm

Was MapRanking myself to see if I've graduated from the SoC when I noticed something rather odd.

The only games I've played with SoC settings are SoC Basic Terminator "tournament" games, of which I've played 24 and won 5.
So, if I search in Game Finder for games with me, whether I select the SoC tournament from the dropdown or check off the SoC settings (6 & 7=player, standard & terminator, classic, auto, seq, esc, unltd, no fog, no trench, no round limit, casual), I see the same 24 games.

Now, if I select the SoC tournament from the dropdown, then hit MapRank, MapRank tells me I've won 5 of 24 games and gained 281 points.
BUT, if I select the settings, not the tournament, and hit MapRank, MapRank tells me I've won 6 of 26 games and gained 432 points.

Any guesses as to what's going on here?
sempai
High score: 2200 - July 20, 2015
Game 13890915 - in which I helped clinch the NC4 title for LHDD

Image
User avatar
Lieutenant sempaispellcheck
 
Posts: 2852
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:31 pm
Location: Among the clouds and the skyscrapers, saving the world.

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby ender516 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:43 pm

I decided to explore which settings were not being handled the same by Map Rank. If you search with the same settings except allowing any number of players, you also get 26 games. So I searched for the same settings with 2-5 or 8 players, and you have two such games: Game 10281961 from Elric's SoS, Terminator Invitational, which you lost, and Game 10841515 from how well do u really know the classic map, which you won. That explains the 5 out of 24 vs. 6 out of 26 issue. I have also just noticed that there may be some unexpected behaviour on the Game Finder page due to interactions between the new remembered values, Map Rank and possibly the Saved Searches script. So you when you thought you had the settings and not the tournament for Map Rank, you may have had nothing in the Number Of Players boxes and picked up those two non-SoC games.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class ender516
 
Posts: 4455
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:07 pm
Location: Waterloo, Ontario

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby sempaispellcheck on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:03 pm

It makes sense for it to be those two games. Thank you for that, ender.

The thing is, though, even if I do check off only 6 and 7 players, MapRank still picks up those two games. In fact, MapRank even says: "Options: Number of Players: 6,7 ..." while showing 6 from 26 in the Win/Loss column.
Is there anything I can do to fix this?
I'm asking because I'm planning on posting in the "Am I a Graduate?" thread, and I don't want to get credit for games that aren't really SoC settings.

sempai
High score: 2200 - July 20, 2015
Game 13890915 - in which I helped clinch the NC4 title for LHDD

Image
User avatar
Lieutenant sempaispellcheck
 
Posts: 2852
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:31 pm
Location: Among the clouds and the skyscrapers, saving the world.

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby ender516 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:32 am

Well, something odd is perhaps going on, but for now why not just select the tournament if that gives you the results you expect? I'm not familiar with the requirements for SoC graduation.
Also, why are you checking Standard?
I know there is more to this, but I need to get to bed.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class ender516
 
Posts: 4455
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:07 pm
Location: Waterloo, Ontario

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:45 pm

It's not up to me - in the "Am I a Graduate?" Thread, the Academy Team asks you to MapRank yourself on all games with SoC settings - not just SoC games, and they include Standard in there.
High score: 2200 - July 20, 2015
Game 13890915 - in which I helped clinch the NC4 title for LHDD

Image
User avatar
Lieutenant sempaispellcheck
 
Posts: 2852
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:31 pm
Location: Among the clouds and the skyscrapers, saving the world.

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby ender516 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:36 pm

I figured it out: Map Rank doesn't know about round limits. If you leave out the "No Round Limits" restriction, then, in addition to the 24 games, those settings pick up two games of yours with a 20 round limit from the how well do u really know the classic map tournament. Looks like Map Rank needs an update.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class ender516
 
Posts: 4455
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:07 pm
Location: Waterloo, Ontario

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:43 pm

And now I realize that the points I won and lost in the two games we had thought were the problem didn't add up to 151 (432-281), but those two do.
Thank you ever so much, ender. Now, how do we make that update happen, and ASAP?

sempai
High score: 2200 - July 20, 2015
Game 13890915 - in which I helped clinch the NC4 title for LHDD

Image
User avatar
Lieutenant sempaispellcheck
 
Posts: 2852
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:31 pm
Location: Among the clouds and the skyscrapers, saving the world.

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby ender516 on Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:08 pm

I am on a holiday weekend, so I may have time to come up with an update, then I will run it past sherkaner, who is lead maintainer on Map Rank.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class ender516
 
Posts: 4455
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:07 pm
Location: Waterloo, Ontario

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby Donelladan on Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:43 am

I found smthg weird in map rank too.
So if map rank myself. I find :

Colonel 2605 points 1605 from 4019(40%)

Which is actually correct.

But if I go in game finder, then map rank myself without clicking anything I find :

Colonel 1625 points 1605 from 4019(40%)


Well map rank find all the game, but somehow calcul a different total of points...
User avatar
Colonel Donelladan
 
Posts: 3508
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:48 am
4521739

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby ender516 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:03 pm

Yes, there does seem to be a discrepancy there. I will try to take a closer look soon, but this weekend is out.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class ender516
 
Posts: 4455
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:07 pm
Location: Waterloo, Ontario

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:19 pm

I think the difference is that when you Map Rank yourself from Game Finder, it doesn't count the 1000 points you started with - just the 1600+ you've earned in games, which is why it says +1638 under "Points" instead of just 1638.
Adjusting for that, though, there's still a 20-point discrepancy - your score is 2618, and I can see that Map Ranking you from the sidebar, but Map Ranking you from Game Finder says you've gained 1638 points, which should put you at 2638.

sempai
High score: 2200 - July 20, 2015
Game 13890915 - in which I helped clinch the NC4 title for LHDD

Image
User avatar
Lieutenant sempaispellcheck
 
Posts: 2852
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:31 pm
Location: Among the clouds and the skyscrapers, saving the world.

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:45 pm

+20 from an unfinished terminator?
User avatar
Major Vid_FISO
 
Posts: 1351
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:06 pm
Location: Hants

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:53 pm

Not terminators, but if you map rank yourself on active games you get 3 hits which add up to the extra 20 points, then search for active games on those maps (only did it for poker club) and it gave one hit - a finished speed game

edit: forget that, for some reason 2 minutes games were checked, probably just a fluke that those 3 games were worth 20 points
User avatar
Major Vid_FISO
 
Posts: 1351
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:06 pm
Location: Hants

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:51 pm

Vid_FISO wrote:+20 from an unfinished terminator?

-20, actually, from Game 12584451.
Thank you!

sempai
High score: 2200 - July 20, 2015
Game 13890915 - in which I helped clinch the NC4 title for LHDD

Image
User avatar
Lieutenant sempaispellcheck
 
Posts: 2852
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:31 pm
Location: Among the clouds and the skyscrapers, saving the world.

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby AdamKeith on Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:00 am

I've noticed that MapRank needs a medals update. It doesn't yet have platinum medals, nor does it include all of the other medals. I don't think it includes Clan medals.
Click image to enlarge.
image
User avatar
Cadet AdamKeith
 
Posts: 246
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:04 pm
Location: South Carolina, United States

Re: MapRank Oddity

Postby Vid_FISO on Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:16 am

AdamKeith wrote: I don't think it includes Clan medals.


You've got to win one first :D
User avatar
Major Vid_FISO
 
Posts: 1351
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:06 pm
Location: Hants


Return to Tools Suggestions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users