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chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure I know about this controversy. Is there a controversy?
Additionally, I'm not really sure that Fixed and Flat don't have the same meaning for this.
DoomYoshi wrote:chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure I know about this controversy. Is there a controversy?
Additionally, I'm not really sure that Fixed and Flat don't have the same meaning for this.
A flat rate mortgage never changes. Flat rate spoils do change, depending on what cards you have. Of course, a fixed rate mortgage doesn't change either.
DoomYoshi wrote:I knew what you meant fazeem. You are not the first player to be confused by that.
However, the flat rate wording goes right back to RISK for DOS, sticks with RISK II and I doubt it will change. You just have to get used to the language we use. To some "Trench Warfare" implies eating Spam, singing "Its a long way to Tipperary" and not sticking your head up too high. To some, cyan and teal are different colors. Here on CC, we have our own language. I will leave this out for a while, and if there is tremendous interest, I won't put it into rejected.
Metsfanmax wrote:There is nothing wrong with the "flat rate" title. A green set is always worth 6 troops in a flat rate game, and that is consistent. It is not obvious that one should interpret "flat rate" as meaning that all card sets are worth the same, so I doubt that this is a serious case of confusion among the players. If instead you want to push for a setting where all card sets are worth the same amount, I suggest you come up with a clever name that clearly distinguishes it from flat rate. It would be slightly confusing to have "flat rate" and "fixed rates."
the current name reflects 4 separate fixed rates it is not a flat rate I get people oppose change and willfully embrace the familiar even when it is based on ignorance but this site should be about improving a game archetype model not being bound to past failures. It can be argued a number of features that currently are implemented on here are not "Risk" or based on its known variant's which to me is good as this site is Conquer Club and it is far superior to simple "Risk". Change the name and introduce a true Flat Rate where all trade in card combinations regardless of colors give the same reinforcement amount. Embracing this idea creates a new game play dynamic and corrects a perpetuated error in the labeling of a game play type.A flat fee, also referred to as a flat rate or a linear rate, refers to a pricing structure that charges a single fixed fee for a service, regardless of usage.[1] Rarely, it may refer to a rate that does not vary with usage or time of use. Another term used is "flate", a hybrid of "flat" and "rate".
Fazeem wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:There is nothing wrong with the "flat rate" title. A green set is always worth 6 troops in a flat rate game, and that is consistent. It is not obvious that one should interpret "flat rate" as meaning that all card sets are worth the same, so I doubt that this is a serious case of confusion among the players. If instead you want to push for a setting where all card sets are worth the same amount, I suggest you come up with a clever name that clearly distinguishes it from flat rate. It would be slightly confusing to have "flat rate" and "fixed rates."the current name reflects 4 separate fixed rates it is not a flat rate I get people oppose change and willfully embrace the familiar even when it is based on ignorance but this site should be about improving a game archetype model not being bound to past failures. It can be argued a number of features that currently are implemented on here are not "Risk" or based on its known variant's which to me is good as this site is Conquer Club and it is far superior to simple "Risk". Change the name and introduce a true Flat Rate where all trade in card combinations regardless of colors give the same reinforcement amount. Embracing this idea creates a new game play dynamic and corrects a perpetuated error in the labeling of a game play type.A flat fee, also referred to as a flat rate or a linear rate, refers to a pricing structure that charges a single fixed fee for a service, regardless of usage.[1] Rarely, it may refer to a rate that does not vary with usage or time of use. Another term used is "flate", a hybrid of "flat" and "rate".
Metsfanmax wrote:Fazeem wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:There is nothing wrong with the "flat rate" title. A green set is always worth 6 troops in a flat rate game, and that is consistent. It is not obvious that one should interpret "flat rate" as meaning that all card sets are worth the same, so I doubt that this is a serious case of confusion among the players. If instead you want to push for a setting where all card sets are worth the same amount, I suggest you come up with a clever name that clearly distinguishes it from flat rate. It would be slightly confusing to have "flat rate" and "fixed rates."the current name reflects 4 separate fixed rates it is not a flat rate I get people oppose change and willfully embrace the familiar even when it is based on ignorance but this site should be about improving a game archetype model not being bound to past failures. It can be argued a number of features that currently are implemented on here are not "Risk" or based on its known variant's which to me is good as this site is Conquer Club and it is far superior to simple "Risk". Change the name and introduce a true Flat Rate where all trade in card combinations regardless of colors give the same reinforcement amount. Embracing this idea creates a new game play dynamic and corrects a perpetuated error in the labeling of a game play type.A flat fee, also referred to as a flat rate or a linear rate, refers to a pricing structure that charges a single fixed fee for a service, regardless of usage.[1] Rarely, it may refer to a rate that does not vary with usage or time of use. Another term used is "flate", a hybrid of "flat" and "rate".
In Flat Rate, there is a single fixed reward for cashing in a set of green spoils. In Flat Rate, there is a single fixed reward for cashing in a set of red spoils. In Flat Rate, there is a single fixed reward for cashing in a set of blue spoils. In Flat Rate, there is a single fixed reward for cashing in a set of mixed spoils.
What part of that reflects ignorance or failure?
Metsfanmax wrote:Fazeem, you would do well to recognize that someone may disagree with you without being dumb or ignorant. In this case, there is a legitimate argument to be made for why "Flat Rate" is actually grammatically correct and a fair description of the situation (namely, that the reward for any particular combination of submitted cards is fixed). Given that changing the name of a game type in all locations on the website is not a completely trivial task, I'm not going to recommend it to the admins unless there are people who have been legitimately confused by this name (not that there is any excuse, since it is explained in the instructions).
Anyway, the name change is not what is currently precluding us from implementing what you call "true" flat rate games. It's simply not particularly desired by most people.
macbone wrote:"Fixed" and "flat" are merely synonyms. Call it fixed or flat rate, but to me it means the same thing. In fact, "fixed rate" could just as easily be applied to spoils where 3 cards = X, 4 cards = Y, and 5 cards = Z. There's nothing inherent in the word "fixed" that precludes it from being used to describe games with no variation in the value of a set of spoils. Adding an -S to the end of 'rate" has the same effect, whether you're talking about "flat rates" or "fixed rates."
DoomYoshi wrote:I knew what you meant fazeem. You are not the first player to be confused by that.
However, the flat rate wording goes right back to RISK for DOS, sticks with RISK II and I doubt it will change. You just have to get used to the language we use. To some "Trench Warfare" implies eating Spam, singing "Its a long way to Tipperary" and not sticking your head up too high. To some, cyan and teal are different colors. Here on CC, we have our own language. I will leave this out for a while, and if there is tremendous interest, I won't put it into rejected.
spiesr wrote:At this point changing the name of Flat Rate and introducing a new setting using the old name will cause more confusion than it would cure. If you want to just add an 's' to end end if/when the single value option is added then that would probably be okay, but not necessarily important.
macbone wrote:Actually, fazeem, the racial slur you're referring to comes from the Portuguese/Spanish word for black, negro, and the now-derogatory French word nègre, and both of those words are from the Latin niger (again, "black"). The region Niger is named after the river, Ni Ger ("River Ger"). The river is unrelated to the Spanish/Portuguese word.
As for your other point, it's already been demonstrated that flat and fixed are synonyms. The flat tax idea is that everyone pays a fixed sales rate, and a fixed rate mortgage has a flat, unvarying interest rate.
Change the name if there's a compelling reason to do so, but there's already precedent (again cited in this thread) for using the term "flat rate".
AslanTheKing wrote:there are 4 !!! flat rates
4 for red,
6 for green,
8 for blue and
10 for mixed.
the colours are flat, 4 different flatrates
that simple
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