Lindax wrote:I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture here Viper.
CC is a commercial website.
CC decided to create an area where clans can meet, have discussions, have clan wars, tournaments, etc. CC obviously needs people to channel all this stuff, i.e., facilitate and moderate. So, CC puts a team of volunteers into place to do exactly that.
An election system changes none of that.
Lindax wrote:There is no other area on CC where members get to give as much input and their say on the way things are done. Now you want to take it a step further and you would like the clans to take over this area by electing the volunteers? Basically you're asking for independence. Would you agree with that if you were CC?
Admin has and always will have any final say upon who represents them. Whether they are initially selected by CDs or the community is not relevant to that reality. And I would agree with it if I were CC because the community would be fully involved and it would lessen the inevitable squabbles that are the result of our insider oriented system now.
BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.
Lindax wrote:Be happy CC create this area and be even happier that people are willing to dedicate their time and effort to make this area work.
How does wanting an election system say that I am not "happy" with any positive efforts that anyone does?
Lindax wrote:PS: Did you apply for a CD position? That would give you a chance to "improve" things.
I did not. Given that I've been among the most vocal critics of CD politics, that would seem like an exercise in futility. I did post the opening in my clan forum and there was some discussion there. One clan member has said he would like to apply. I don't know if he'll apply in time or not. I haven't pressed it since I've read about an abundance of applicants.
Lindax wrote:PPS: "Good enough is good enough, whilst perfection is a pain in the ass and often not worth the trouble anyway". That's a quote my wife throws at me regularly. Off topic, I know. It's a reaction to what you said to qwert in another thread. You attack him for trying to be perfect, yet you're the first one to complain when things aren't perfect in your opinion. I don't think he was trying to be perfect, I think he was trying to be practical. Have you ever run, or tried to run, anything of the magnitude of CL5? Do you have any idea how much more work it is to gather results, etc., if you can't rely on game labels?
Not sure what relevance this has to the concept of elections. I've not made any arguments here based upon trivial snipes. My argument is based upon the fact that elections find the best CDs to represent ALL clans. If a CD performs up to their standards then they'll likely continue in that capacity if they desire. But, currently if a CD acts not in the interest of the majority of the clans or even a significant minority; then there is no recourse for the disenchanted (often disenfranchised) clans. That needs to change. If we pick our CDs, we all own it.
Enough of this insider politics nonsense.
Now, I haven't replied to every other response. But, I'm not surprised to see the same tiresome taunts coming from some members who are the greatest beneficiaries of our insider politics system.