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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby dazza2008 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:09 pm

kgb007 wrote:
spiesr wrote:So, now we have a dead (fairly weak) power role. As such the existence of town power role is confirmed but we pretty much all knew that already.
So, kgb007, since you already outed yourself as a power role, did you get anything of value last night?


i did not..


Kind of did when you said.

kgb007 wrote:since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I know for a fact Stubbs did not visit gregwolf last night
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby spiesr on Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:05 pm

I assumed he was saying he did not find anything of value...
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby dazza2008 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:27 am

spiesr wrote:I assumed he was saying he did not find anything of value...


Ah yeah. I see now. I took it he meant he did not hint at a power :lol:
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby kgb007 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:59 am

glad that's straighten out, i could see how that could be confused but for the record, I did not find anything of value
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby new guy1 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:10 pm

Kgb, who did you visit last night, for reference?
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby kgb007 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:35 pm

new guy1 wrote:Kgb, who did you visit last night, for reference?


i'm happy to answer that but before I do, can you explain why that's relevant?
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby new guy1 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:22 pm

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new guy1 wrote:Kgb, who did you visit last night, for reference?


i'm happy to answer that but before I do, can you explain why that's relevant?


So that you cant use other people's night actions in the future to mold your own, in the event you are scum.
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby dazza2008 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:38 pm

new guy1 wrote:
kgb007 wrote:
new guy1 wrote:Kgb, who did you visit last night, for reference?


i'm happy to answer that but before I do, can you explain why that's relevant?


So that you cant use other people's night actions in the future to mold your own, in the event you are scum.


What?

I don't see that there is any need for him to reveal his result unless he has something to go on.
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby new guy1 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:09 pm

dazza2008 wrote:
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kgb007 wrote:
new guy1 wrote:Kgb, who did you visit last night, for reference?


i'm happy to answer that but before I do, can you explain why that's relevant?


So that you cant use other people's night actions in the future to mold your own, in the event you are scum.


What?

I don't see that there is any need for him to reveal his result unless he has something to go on.


I dont see why he needs a reason. The only people hes helping by revealing who he visited is town, as mafia most likely doesnt care who he visited.
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby spiesr on Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:47 pm

dazza2008 wrote:
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kgb007 wrote:
new guy1 wrote:Kgb, who did you visit last night, for reference?
i'm happy to answer that but before I do, can you explain why that's relevant?
So that you cant use other people's night actions in the future to mold your own, in the event you are scum.
What?

I don't see that there is any need for him to reveal his result unless he has something to go on.
Newguy wants him to reveal his actions now so that in case he is faking he will have a more difficult time coming up with fake actions whereas if he waits until other people claim stuff he could just say he saw them do that stuff. Of course the reverse is also true where if he is town and tracked a scum member then it makes it easier for them to fake claim if they know what he saw them do (or not do).
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby new guy1 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:29 pm

Spies gets it, but while there are possible downsides, I feel like since he is the only semi-claimed role we might as well start piecing together who isnt getting visited and who is.
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:45 am

May also help figure out who kgb might have suspicions on should he turn up dead later. Not always the best of leads, but usually people with night actions pick targets for a reason.
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby kgb007 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:33 am

new guy1 wrote:I dont see why he needs a reason. The only people hes helping by revealing who he visited is town, as mafia most likely doesnt care who he visited.


i don't see the point of revealing my night action for N3, i claimed my N2 action but it still didn't clear stubbs and so how does it help town?

and why would you argue that mafia doesn't care who i visited?

spiesr wrote:Newguy wants him to reveal his actions now so that in case he is faking he will have a more difficult time coming up with fake actions whereas if he waits until other people claim stuff he could just say he saw them do that stuff. Of course the reverse is also true where if he is town and tracked a scum member then it makes it easier for them to fake claim if they know what he saw them do (or not do).


why would I be faking?? there was nothing to go on D3 so I offered up what I did N2, if I was scum, how would that benefit me?

we're not at LyLo scenario but if we don't get today right and lynch the wrong person, coupled with a successful N4 kill by scum, we're pretty much toast right?

in hindsight, I feel somewhat guilty/responsible for fircoal's lynch since I was one of the first to jump on it but in hindsight he was playing a pretty strong VT game, right??
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby new guy1 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:37 pm

kgb007 wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I dont see why he needs a reason. The only people hes helping by revealing who he visited is town, as mafia most likely doesnt care who he visited.


i don't see the point of revealing my night action for N3, i claimed my N2 action but it still didn't clear stubbs and so how does it help town?

and why would you argue that mafia doesn't care who i visited?

spiesr wrote:Newguy wants him to reveal his actions now so that in case he is faking he will have a more difficult time coming up with fake actions whereas if he waits until other people claim stuff he could just say he saw them do that stuff. Of course the reverse is also true where if he is town and tracked a scum member then it makes it easier for them to fake claim if they know what he saw them do (or not do).


why would I be faking?? there was nothing to go on D3 so I offered up what I did N2, if I was scum, how would that benefit me?

we're not at LyLo scenario but if we don't get today right and lynch the wrong person, coupled with a successful N4 kill by scum, we're pretty much toast right?

in hindsight, I feel somewhat guilty/responsible for fircoal's lynch since I was one of the first to jump on it but in hindsight he was playing a pretty strong VT game, right??


He was. I argue mafia doesnt care because you made it pretty obvious who you are, and if you didnt catch them then they can play ball all day. Your argument that it wouldnt have benefited you to guide us can go both ways. Just in Rock and Roll mafia, I was lynched basically because I claimed when I didnt have to. I dont see how this is different, except you havent claimed, but youve given a pretty damning role description, and so the information being out there would suit town's best interest IMO.
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Re: Summer vs. Winter Mafia (8/13) D4: Priestess Down

Postby kgb007 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:21 am

well i remain unconvinced so i'm going to hold off for now
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