I realize that most revamps are not allowed to change anything but graphics. However, when talking with RockSoild I explained to him that 4-way corners are not liked very much in the foundry. We talked and he agreed that if the foundry thinks that 4-ways are bad for gameplay, then we could change them. I was just taking preventative measures since historically those 4-ways have been taken out of newer maps.dominationnation wrote:can you change borders like that? I thought that lack said no to that because he didnt want any borders to have to change for someone in the middle of the game. Other than that it looks great!
Here is the old mapcairnswk wrote:WM and RockSolid...congrats on this official revamp. Smile
The map does look great, but i am concerned about the colours being TOO bright...a common cause for "eye distress". Can they be dulled a little without altering them too much?
Sorry. I was just looking for things to do and since I was already redoing the Circus Maximus, RockSolid asked if I wanted to do the Montreal map too. I was under the impression that you had stopped and it was free game. Believe me, if I knew you were still doing it, I would not have spent over a week making 5 drafts with RockSolid over email.johloh wrote:yeah ive been busy the last few weeks...
would have atleast been considerate for someone to inform me that I was being taken off of working on an project...
gl with the map...
I agree with you hulmey. Here is what the original author had to say in the other post.hulmey wrote:Shouldnt map makers be given equal chance to RE-Vamp maps and at least people can offically apply to these maps...
The map foundry is not just one map and i think the community should be given a chance to re - vamp maps. This is very unfair.
This is not a dig at you Widow but we were told every1 would be apply to have a try at Re-Vamping
rocksolid wrote:Haven't been around these parts in almost a year, so I'm a little out of touch with all this...
Hmm...an unfortunate miscommunication, from the looks of it. Johloh sent me his last draft a donkey's age ago, and when I replied voicing a lot of objections I had to elements of it, he didn't respond - that was about a month ago. I figured he was fed up with my requests for changes, and I assumed he abandoned the map. I mentioned this to Keyogi, which is how WidowMakers got involved, who had done excellent work on my other map (Circus Maximus).
Since then, WM's done some great work on Montreal, and I'm very happy with his version. Not to cast aspersions on Johloh's efforts, but I feel that WM's is far closer to being a revamp of the original map; Johloh's is a recasting (in the mould of San Francisco) rather than a revamping. WM's also gone to great pains to pay attention to detail (his borders follow the actual city borders, etc). At least half of the territory borders in Johloh's version need to be redrawn to be true to life.
There are still a couple of points where WM and I disagree - I wanted to keep the gameplay the same, while he wanted the intersecting borders to be less ambiguous - but that is material for a foundry thread, as I figured his opinion would be more popular than mine on that issue. But as far as which version I'd like to see go forward, I'm in favour of WM's.
hulmey wrote:As far as im concerned im not backing you or joholo to do this map. My concern is that you now done 2 RE-Vamps out of 3 and that the whole foundry should be able to have a go.
Not only that the other map was also done by a moderator and my question again is let other map authors ahve a go.
You have outstanding talent and determination WM, no doubt about it but cant we see other map makers have a go at RE-vamping pls.
Revamp Developmental Atlas
* Circus Maximus
Nominated Cartographers: WidowMakers
Nominated Cartographers: Keredrex
Nominated Cartographers: Wisse
Nominated Cartographers: johloh
hulmey wrote:Shouldnt map makers be given equal chance to RE-Vamp maps and at least people can offically apply to these maps...
hulmey wrote:Not only that the other map was also done by a moderator and my question again is let other map authors ahve a go.
DiM wrote:now the way i see the problem, johloh is the official revamper and wm just butted in. but it's now wm's fault since he talked to andy and got his approval.
DiM wrote:tricky situation where i think the blame rests on the shoulders of the mods.
Teya wrote:DiM wrote:now the way i see the problem, johloh is the official revamper and wm just butted in. but it's now wm's fault since he talked to andy and got his approval.
If you read what rock solid wrote which WM quoted you will see that this is not the case.DiM wrote:tricky situation where i think the blame rests on the shoulders of the mods.
You are very quick to blame anything that goes wrong on the mods DiM
but if you read what RS wrote I think you'll find that if anyone is to blame it is Johloh. RS wasnt happy, Johloh never replied.
When it comes down to it, the final say does really come down to rock solid. If he wants WM to continue instead of Johloh Its not really the foundries place to complain. After all, rock solid can pull the pin on the revamp and not let anyone touch it.
no way, that just means EVEN MORE wasted time.Cant there just be two seperate threads, so that after both are compeletly FINISHED, we can vote.
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