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Postby maritovw on Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:18 pm

ok, i will try another font... about the islands, i think it will be clear when i add the circles, because each name will have a circle next to it, that should clear things up... about the island connections, i didn't add them cause i thought they were like obvious, but i think it will be better to add them so that there are no confusions
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Postby rocksolid on Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:23 pm

I would like the included area to remain as it is. Southern Arizona and Texas are very immediate to Sonorans and Chihuahuans, even if they're far from the Caribbean Sea, so if you're keeping northern Mexico...and I think it would be weird to lose northern Mexico if you're keeping southern Mexico...and I think it would be weird to, ah, you know where this is going. But having only one coast of Central America would be weird, and I like splitting up the countries that are split up.

I think it's fine as is, but if people are concerned about the title/concept not matching the area, the name could be changed to New Spain, or Columbus' World...I'd have to check up on this, but I'm pretty sure everything from north of Arizona to the bottom of this map and everything in between was once part of New Spain, except maybe Louisiana (New France?) and Georgia (New Poland?).

Again, I don't think it's a problem. This part of the world should just have a map.
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Postby Ishiro on Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:36 am

Just call the map "Pirates of the Caribbean" ... the real pirates actually landed on the gulf coast of Central America, and marched to the pacific side to raid Spanish towns, so that still works... the stuff in North America not so much...
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Postby zorba_ca on Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:03 am

Hi Maritovw:

Great job on the map! It's very rare you see such a developed product on the first post. Your work is very impressive.

I just want to comment on three issues with the playability:

1. When using a group of islands as one territory (such as The Bahamas) it can be confusing which islands are part of that territory. The Greece map had the same issue and that mapmaker drew a circle around the Kyklades to help and I find it works very well. You should probably check it out.

2. Make the attack lines between the islands as clear as possible so there is no confusion about which island (or island group) can attack where.

3. Try to avoid the map being played in a circular manner. What I mean is that you should allow attacks from Cuba to the Yucatan, not just have the Inner Antilles connected in a linear manner.

Looking forward to seeing the next version!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:33 am

Ishiro wrote:Just call the map "Pirates of the Caribbean" ... t.


thats not a trademarked name or anything... :roll:



well come to think of it.. it may not be..
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Postby Ronaldinho on Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:43 am

im pritty sure that would be copyright? lol its a film or at least somone told me it was.....
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Postby maritovw on Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:53 pm

i will be posting a new version in a couple of days.. i will post two or three maps with different fonts to compare them.....

about the name, i may call it "The New World" or as rock suggested "New Spain" (or "Nueva España" wich is the same but in spanish)... i'll open a poll to decide on the best name...
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Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:16 pm

not new world cause both north south and central america were considered the new world, not just the carribean and area around it
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Postby Marvaddin on Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:37 pm

Same with New Spain, dont you agree? Spain had really most lands in South America at that time...
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Postby Ronaldinho on Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:58 pm

I voted for Nueva España its a bit different and sounds cool
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Postby Ishiro on Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:08 pm

If you shifted the map down a little to exclude most of North America (leave Florida as part of an island continent) and include more of South America, you could call it The Spanish Main.
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Postby happysadfun on Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:22 am

but the portuguese and italians had almost all of brazil, so that wouldn't work, unless you made brazil unoccupiable, but then marvaddin wouldn't play it :)
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Postby Marvaddin on Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:07 am

Of course I wont!! :wink: :lol:
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Postby maritovw on Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:18 am

maritovw wrote:i will be posting a new version in a couple of days..


i'm afraid that won't be possible... this week i will be loaded with tests (calculus & differential equations :? ) and a C++ project so i really don't think i will be able to post a new version this week, but next week i surely will...

nonetheless, keep voting in the poll and commenting... as of now, "The Caribbean Sea", "Nueva España", and "Middle America" are the most popular... personally, i'd prefer "Nueva España", but the people wil decide on this one...
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Postby happysadfun on Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:55 am

new spain in either language doesn't work because of arizona and texas, unless the timeframe was set to back before the louisiana purchase, in which case many of the states could be renamed northern mexico. and sorry, marvaddin, i had some history wrong. italians poured into southern brazil (by porto alegre) and northern argentina and uruguay, but did not own it.
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Postby fluffybunnykins on Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:37 pm

I voted Nueva Espana... I like anything a bit different and that enhances or illustrates the flavour of the map.
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Postby rocksolid on Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:06 pm

happysadfun wrote:new spain in either language doesn't work because of arizona and texas, unless the timeframe was set to back before the louisiana purchase, in which case many of the states could be renamed northern mexico.


Before Mexican independence in 1821 - when they became part of Mexico - Arizona and Texas were both part of New Spain.

There are definitely parts of this map that weren't in New Spain, but I think it's close enough for CC purposes...
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Postby happysadfun on Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:14 am

well then shouldn't texas and arizona be part of mexico, and possibly florida part of the greater antilles? better yet, wasn't there one half of florida owned by the us (west florida i think) and one part by spain? couldn't that be added? that would work! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! SORRY THE ADHD PILLS DON'T WORK
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Postby Fireside Poet on Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:50 am

Great map, but it the font used in the legend and the name is begging for a pirate a la Blackbeard or something from the old Sid Meier's classic Pirates!

Do love the map and look forward to playing it out.

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Postby maritovw on Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:26 pm

the map is located in the area where the spanish once had most of their colonies, so you tell me that some US territories don't belong to the map because they were never spain's.... deleting this territories would be like deleting Africa and the Near East on the Europe map or like deleting Oceania in the Asia map... got my point? this territories didn't belong to spain but they were borders of spain's territories, so they are also important because border conflicts have been common in all america, especially in the 19th century. so, even if they never actually belonged to spain, i think i should leave them there because of their historical importance...


rocksolid wrote:There are definitely parts of this map that weren't in New Spain, but I think it's close enough for CC purposes...

this is exactly what i mean!!!


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Postby maritovw on Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:32 pm

well, finally i had time to work on this map so here it is!! the last UPDATE.

things updated:
- drew all attack routes
- added the circles
- changed the font

as i had promised, i created several versions of the map, all the same but with different fonts, to choose the best one. here are the maps:
- Font no. 1
- Font no. 2
- Font no. 3
- Font no. 4
- Font no. 5

i'm opening a new poll to vote for the font you like the best. personally, i like no. 5 because it has some style but it still is very readable.
EDIT: i'm not changing the poll so post here to vote

please, i'd appreciate your comments very much!!


about the name poll, below are the results. because no name got at least half the votes, i'll open a "second round" after choosing the font. in this second round only "The Caribbean Sea" and "Nueva España" will be available.
EDIT: already changed. VOTE NOW!!

How should this map be named?
"The Caribbean Sea" 39% [ 16 ]
"The New World" 14% [ 6 ]
"New Spain" 2% [ 1 ]
"Nueva España" (spanish for "New Spain") 29% [ 12 ]
"Middle America" 14% [ 6 ]

Total Votes : 41
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Postby maritovw on Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:37 pm

isn't there a way to change the poll??? :?: :?: :?:
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Postby gavin_sidhu on Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:08 am

aww.. middle america got knocked out, but i guess the majority ruled. If people are complaining about the political corectness, I think you could get away with it if you trim the top of the map so it looks more concentrated and focussed on the spanish part of america even though the number of USA territories remain the same. The Europe map has lots of countries that are not part of europe but it does not look that way because only the very north of african territories is shown. Only problem is then you would be squished for space.
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how about we name it

Postby reaper on Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:57 pm

how about we name it if u want to kill a spanish person look for 1 in 1 of these states
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Postby Evil Pope on Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:09 pm

The attack routes are a bit hard to see.. could you darken them, or lighten them, or change their color, or something?
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