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Battle For Iraq! [Quenched]

Postby mibi on Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:55 pm

BATTLE FOR IRAQ!

The quagmire is now yours. Rife with sectarian and ethnic violence this battlefield is anything but simple. Take hold of the dwindling Baathists, the stealthy al-Qaeda, or the all powerful US army and try as you might to get control of this barren sand ridden landscape.

Can you unite an ethnic majority in your favour? Or perhaps take control of Iraq's soul, Baghdad, it won't be easy.

17 starting provinces.
12 starting cities.
10 starting areas of Bagdad.

48 possible other territories.

To align a city with a combatant just take over the city then choose to take over one of the combatants, its that simple. But while it may be harder for the Americans to win the favor of a city, the reward is great, or take the easy road with the Baathists, the choice is yours.

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Postby DiM on Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:03 pm

whare's bin laden?

add him on the map and make him worth 100 armies :lol:


PS: i'm not in the mood of extensive analysys but as soon as i get some sleep i'll do it. so far it seems interesting.
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Postby mibi on Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:53 pm

DiM wrote:whare's bin laden?

add him on the map and make him worth 100 armies :lol:


PS: i'm not in the mood of extensive analysys but as soon as i get some sleep i'll do it. so far it seems interesting.


I don't know where you've been, but bin Laden is in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but certainly not Iraq.
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Postby DiM on Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:56 pm

mibi wrote:
DiM wrote:whare's bin laden?

add him on the map and make him worth 100 armies :lol:


PS: i'm not in the mood of extensive analysys but as soon as i get some sleep i'll do it. so far it seems interesting.


I don't know where you've been, but bin Laden is in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but certainly not Iraq.


actually i thnk he's somewhere on the french riviera sipping on a cappuccino and smoking a ciggar reading a newspaper and laughing at the idiots looking for him, but that's another discussion. :roll:
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Postby asl80 on Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:05 am

if this is the battle for iraq, why is al-Qaeda a prominent force - they didn't set in there till the basthist's were defeated by US - afterwards strengthening their position there. (At least, this is held by many, especially those opposed to the Coalition of the Willing's dubious line that somewhow Iraq was part of the War On Terror, or was it because they had WMD's, or wait no - it was to overthrow a dictator, ahh memory's fading me, actually it was to bring democracy - either way, too many tears in the world)
i.e; its surely a bit contentious to use such a cloudy contempoary context like this. Lots of perspectives with lots of divergent opinions on the situation.

Like your maps Mibi - but i dunno about this topic.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:09 am

Mildly interesting idea, but I don't think it'll hold my interest too long. I think there must be better ideas out there for you to work on.


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Postby Piestar on Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:23 am

Forgive my ignorance, but please explain alignments, in this context? How does it impact the game? And how is it determined?

thanks in advance...
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Postby mibi on Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:45 am

asl80 wrote:if this is the battle for iraq, why is al-Qaeda a prominent force - they didn't set in there till the basthist's were defeated by US - afterwards strengthening their position there. (At least, this is held by many, especially those opposed to the Coalition of the Willing's dubious line that somewhow Iraq was part of the War On Terror, or was it because they had WMD's, or wait no - it was to overthrow a dictator, ahh memory's fading me, actually it was to bring democracy - either way, too many tears in the world)
i.e; its surely a bit contentious to use such a cloudy contempoary context like this. Lots of perspectives with lots of divergent opinions on the situation.

Like your maps Mibi - but i dunno about this topic.


well if this map were to play out like a history book the baathist would be defeated first then it would be US vs insurgents, al-qaeda etc. But this map is historical in context its also a open ended game so its possible that someone aligning with the baathist can win. so i just put the main combatants in there and let them all duke it out. i suppose i can also put the mahdi army in there as well.
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Re: Dazed and confoozled...

Postby mibi on Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:51 am

Piestar wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but please explain alignments, in this context? How does it impact the game? And how is it determined?

thanks in advance...


the alignments work like this... suppose you have the ninawa province and then you take the city of mosul, you then have the option to align that city with the baathist, the US, or al-qaeda by attacking the neutral in the corresponding box. the more cities you take and the more you have of a similar alignment, the bigger the bonus is. 5 cities aligned with the baathist could be +7 or something.

the instructions obviously need to be more clear.
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Postby mibi on Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:49 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Mildly interesting idea, but I don't think it'll hold my interest too long. I think there must be better ideas out there for you to work on.


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Nice to see you posting so early in a thread. It's unfortunate that it wont hold your interest but what I think is missing from CC is an Iraq map. With so much media, money and attention invested in the Iraq war it's quite shocking that an Iraq map hasn't made it through the foundry yet. The middle east map is ok but seems to hark back to an earlier time.

Other Iraq maps in the foundry have just been the country split into territories which doesn't do any justice to Iraqs current relevance. Once the bugs are worked out of my map it will work on multiple levels to achieve the complexity that the Iraq war is. Iraq is a civil war of opposing ethnic groups, religion groups and opposing interests. I think this map can reflect that and translate to some interesting gameplay.

not to mention my other ideas are waiting for xml/founry updates.
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Postby DiM on Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:45 pm

one idea for this map would be to introduce the "accidental" bombardments from the americans upon the civilians.

it would be a nice feature to have random bombardments on civilians because of "failures" in the missile guiding system.

code it in the xml that once every 3 turns a random (non-american) terit is bombarded.

then add bonus for "shock and awe"
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Postby DiM on Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:50 pm

mibi wrote:With so much media, money and attention invested in the Iraq war it's quite shocking that an Iraq map hasn't made it through the foundry yet.


it would be interesting but (imho) inappropriate because to be honest i don't want to see a map of the glorification of innocent slaughter conducted by the americans.

let's make a map of the war in serbia. and add bonuses only if you own an american spot and bombard innocent terits.

or let's make a map of hiroshima and nagasaki. make lots of terits call them innocents and each player (with american names) can bombard all the terits.

the point is this is a very delicate subject and no matter how you deal with it and no matter how good the gameplay or the graphics will be, some people will be offended. of course most people will love it because the most players on this site are from usa.


i wanted to do an auschwitz-birkenau map. quickly dismissed it because it's simply a rotten thing from the past and it's best to let it go and forget it.
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Postby mibi on Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:12 pm

DiM wrote:
mibi wrote:With so much media, money and attention invested in the Iraq war it's quite shocking that an Iraq map hasn't made it through the foundry yet.


it would be interesting but (imho) inappropriate because to be honest i don't want to see a map of the glorification of innocent slaughter conducted by the americans.

let's make a map of the war in serbia. and add bonuses only if you own an american spot and bombard innocent terits.

or let's make a map of hiroshima and nagasaki. make lots of terits call them innocents and each player (with american names) can bombard all the terits.

the point is this is a very delicate subject and no matter how you deal with it and no matter how good the gameplay or the graphics will be, some people will be offended. of course most people will love it because the most players on this site are from usa.


i wanted to do an auschwitz-birkenau map. quickly dismissed it because it's simply a rotten thing from the past and it's best to let it go and forget it.


no offense DiM, but that is the dumbest comment I have heard in months. Iraq is not analogous with hiroshima, auschwitz or any of your hyperboles.

I am sure you raised the same issue about the other war maps, Pearl Harbor et all, where thousands of civilians died. Right?

Oh an how is this map glorifying anything anyways?
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Postby mibi on Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:16 pm

DiM wrote:one idea for this map would be to introduce the "accidental" bombardments from the americans upon the civilians.

it would be a nice feature to have random bombardments on civilians because of "failures" in the missile guiding system.

code it in the xml that once every 3 turns a random (non-american) terit is bombarded.

then add bonus for "shock and awe"



I'm glad thousands of dead civilians is a joke to you.
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Postby ps2civxr20 on Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:59 pm

i think that you should mix the ethnic groups on the borders like in the provence where tikrit is
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