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Postby unriggable on Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:19 pm

You should get rid of the ice and keep the N.
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Postby oaktown on Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:18 pm

unriggable wrote:You should get rid of the ice and keep the N.

Doesn't hurt to give it a look... thoughts?
Personally I can go either way - it doesn't effect game play, and I've been able to get used to it both ways.

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edit: had to update the image to replace two lost elements... also made the N and the pole marker a wee bit bigger, as they are very small against the arctic sea.
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Postby edbeard on Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:21 pm

can you put both versions in that post please?
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Postby jennifermarie on Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:23 pm

i like the N how it is in the above photo...really cute map...my us history teacher made us watch the "duck and cover" video 2 years ago
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Postby edbeard on Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:37 pm

Also, your UK to Eastern US route has disappeared!

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Postby oaktown on Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:08 pm

edbeard wrote:Also, your UK to Eastern US route has disappeared!

layers schmayers

LOL

Looking back that disappeared two updates ago... this update lost the big asterisk!

edit: image above corrected
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Postby reverend_kyle on Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:13 pm

oaktown wrote:
edbeard wrote:Also, your UK to Eastern US route has disappeared!

layers schmayers

LOL

Looking back that disappeared two updates ago... this update lots the big asterisk!


You're losing it oaktown.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:34 pm

I like the Ice Cap...but perhaps you could argue it shouldn't be there...because all the bombs that have been dropped have melted away all the ice. :(


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Postby yeti_c on Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:41 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I like the Ice Cap...but perhaps you could argue it shouldn't be there...because all the bombs that have been dropped have melted away all the ice. :(


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Hmmm - Nah I disagree - as this was the 'threat' of cold war - not the actuallity... (until the game starts!)

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Postby Backglass on Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:51 pm

I also like the icecap because at first glance you may not notice that this is a polar view of the world. I didn't.
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Postby Tisha on Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:05 pm

i like the ice too.. perhaps a poll for it?
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Postby Elijah S on Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:14 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I like the Ice Cap...but perhaps you could argue it shouldn't be there...because all the bombs that have been dropped have melted away all the ice. :(


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Hmmm... If this were the case than the polar caps having melted would diminish the land area considerably... basically causing oaktown to have to redraft the entire map!

LOL Just BS'ing... this map should be fun. Good work!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:55 pm

Backglass wrote:I also like the icecap because at first glance you may not notice that this is a polar view of the world. I didn't.
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Postby oaktown on Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:28 pm

Elijah S wrote:the polar caps having melted would diminish the land area considerably... basically causing oaktown to have to redraft the entire map!

I could be wrong, but if the all of the ice at the north pole were to melt, it wouldn't raise the sea level... floating ice displaces the same amount of water as is contained in that ice.

But I liked the point about the map not being immediately identifiable as polar view without the ice... I'm leaning toward putting it back in, but you all can keep discussing.
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Postby Gilligan on Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:00 pm

The link to the Ice map on the first post seems to be broken...
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Postby oaktown on Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:39 pm

Gilligan wrote:The link to the Ice map on the first post seems to be broken...

yep, so it was... thanks. I'd been updating my other map and must have just wiped it out.

Here are both, with and without:
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Postby edbeard on Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:42 pm

the 'with' version is far superior.

the 'without' version looks like something is missing.
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Postby Bartoli on Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:48 pm

i like the ice cap, has something sweet, and make the map more complete. 8)

without looks a bit dry, but also nice though...
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Postby yeti_c on Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:04 am

edbeard wrote:the 'with' version is far superior.

the 'without' version looks like something is missing.
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Postby Elijah S on Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:45 am

oaktown wrote:
Elijah S wrote:the polar caps having melted would diminish the land area considerably... basically causing oaktown to have to redraft the entire map!

I could be wrong, but if the all of the ice at the north pole were to melt, it wouldn't raise the sea level... floating ice displaces the same amount of water as is contained in that ice.

But I liked the point about the map not being immediately identifiable as polar view without the ice... I'm leaning toward putting it back in, but you all can keep discussing.


The icecaps melting would most definitely raise sea level... but I was just joking anyway.
I do prefer the version with the icecap though.
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Postby Incandenza on Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:05 am

edbeard wrote:the 'with' version is far superior.

the 'without' version looks like something is missing.
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Postby oaktown on Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:47 am

The icecaps melting would most definitely raise sea level... but I was just joking anyway.
I do prefer the version with the icecap though.

Sounds like we're going with the ice cap.

And the science teacher in me has to respond to the ice cap confusion. In the arctic we have an ice cap, which is a mass of ice covering water/a small land area... if the entire polar ice cap were to melt there would be no change to our sea level, because floating ice already displaces a volume of water equal to its weight. Water expands when it freezes. The polar ice cap grows and retreats each year, yet we experience no seasonal rise in sea level. Llikewise, the polar ice cap was at one point 41% lower this year than historical levels, yet my seaside town of Santa Barbara still has the same beach it had 40 years ago.

The story is differnt elsewhere in the world, however. Most of the Antarctic ice sheet (it's not an ice pack) is on land - if that all melted and ran into the sea I would find myself retreating to the hills fast! Ditto Greenland, melting glaciers, etc.

So yeah, we should all be driving Priuses. :wink:
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Postby demon7896 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:47 pm

edbeard wrote:the 'with' version is far superior.

the 'without' version looks like something is missing.

yeah, when you look at the map, there is a big blank hole where the ice cap used to be.
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Postby Jesse710 on Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:59 am

oaktown wrote:Sounds like we're going with the ice cap.

YAY! :D
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Postby oaktown on Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:26 am

If anybody is interested...
xml: http://h1.ripway.com/rparodi/duck.xml
large map: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... over24.jpg
small map: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ver24S.jpg

ran the attack route tester and found two errors. Here's the updated XML.

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