Jewel of the Empire coordinates & xml (new xml?)

Have an idea for a map? Discuss ideas and concepts here.

Moderators: Global Moderators, Cartographers

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Would you like me to continue with this map?

Yes
139
83%
No
29
17%
 
Total votes : 168

Jewel of the Empire coordinates & xml (new xml?)

Postby Contrickster on Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:02 am

Image

Image

Image
Image

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5236 ... 612op1.jpg

Choice 1

408/499
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/9948 ... 499nd4.jpg
500/612
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8412 ... 612hm7.jpg

Choice 2
408/499
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7371 ... 499ck5.jpg
500/612
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8297 ... 612ay0.jpg

Choice 3
408/499
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/61/3 ... 499ql4.jpg
500/612
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3507 ... 612ol2.jpg


28
NOTE the error in the below version - the mountains are actually a barrier between Nagpur and Vinhiya.

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5770 ... bigxx7.jpg

27

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6097 ... allgw4.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5910 ... bigol7.jpg

26

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2972/i ... allsj8.jpg


http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9321 ... biglx9.jpg

25
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5877 ... bigqr2.jpg

24

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2337/untitledkr1.png

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/139/ ... bigno3.jpg

23
Small
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8275/smalltk5.jpg

Large
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7923/largekm1.jpg



22
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2554/hkhbt7.png

21
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/2542 ... allvp0.jpg

20
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6017/indiasmallsc2.jpg

19
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7964 ... allgx9.jpg

18
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4052 ... ia1gb8.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7201 ... ia1bw9.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9348 ... ia1jj2.jpg


17
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6631/purpleqh3.jpg

16
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9893 ... ia1ty8.jpg

15a
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9070/india14cl1.jpg

15
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9813/india13tm5.jpg

14
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3539/india12ku4.jpg

13
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/196/india10es1.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5416/india10fq4.jpg

12
Oops - mistake. BBL.


Eleventh draft
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4630/indapnk0.jpg

Tenth draft - two options: "floating look" versus "anchored look"

[URL=http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7593/indafloatqw0.jpg[/URL]

[URL=http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6207/indalandir1.jpg[/URL]

Nineth draft
[URL=http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1894/indacc1zu8.jpg[/URL]

Eighth draft
[URL=http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7016/indanewsj1.jpg[/URL]

Seventh draft
[URL=http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7817/inda5ru6.jpg[/URL]

Sixth draft
[URL=http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8589/draft6jpgvz8.jpg[/URL]

Fifth draft
[URL=http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9202/indattestjy2.jpg[/URL]

Fourth draft
*

Third draft
*

Second draft:
Beige background
*

Blue background
*

Poll:
Would you like me to continue with this map?
Yes 87% [ 7 ]
No 12% [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 8

First Draft:

*


Idea: "Passage to India"
Included will be Indian states, Empires and colonial territories during the colonial age on the sub-continent, from 1600+. Not adhering to strict chronology although intend to stay true to rough geographic positioning.

NB: Downloaded GIMP over the weekend, first time using Photoshop application so still a lot to learn!

Title was thought up last - an obvious allusion to EM Forster novel A Passage to India - may give new ideas for the map / image??

Thisis a "first ideas map" - I called it a "first draft" but it's not even that. Please comment on everything from names to borders, fonts and colours. I recognise the presentation is very bad at this stage suggestions would be great. You should though have a fairly clear idea of the countries, borders and style of game I want.

41 Countries, 7 Continents.
Partly based on historical maps found here.

I know got a bit carried away with the features, but I rather liked the lighting effect...?

Here's a list of countries if you want to copy it to make specific comments

Muslim States
> Indus Valley
> Sind
> Thar Desert
> Runn of Kutch

Sikh Empire
> Sikh Confederacy
> Kashmir
> Lahore
> The Punjab
> Delhi

Hindu Kingdoms
> Gujarat
> Rajputanna
> Oudh
> Jhansi
> Vinhiya Mts.
> Western Ghats
> Nagpur
> Maratha States
> Smabalpur
> Orissa

Bengal
> Gangetic Plains
> Ganges
> Sundarbans

Himalayas
> Assam
> The Bramaputra
> Bhotan
> Ghokha Kingdom

Deccan
> Eastern Ghats
> Hyderabad
> Mysore
> Wodeyar
> Nizam's Dominion

Colonial Territories
> Diu
> Laccative Islands
> Maldives
> Goa
> Malabar Coast
> Travancore
> Calcutta
> Ceylon
> Pondicherry
> Fort St George
> Calcutta


Barriers on map

> Thar Desert (Desert)
> Vinhiya Mts (Mountains)
> Ghokha Kingdom (Mountains)
> Bhotan (Mountains)
> Jhansi (River)
> Gangetic Plains (River)
> Sundabans (Mangrove Forest and Ganges)
> Sambalpur (Mountains)
> Orissa (Mangrove Forest and Mountains)
> Goa (Mountains)
Last edited by Contrickster on Tue May 22, 2007 6:56 am, edited 61 times in total.
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby boberz on Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:59 am

brilliant first draft that is honestly amazing
Cadet boberz
 
Posts: 795
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:21 pm
Medals: 1
Standard Achievement (1)

Postby Guiscard on Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:22 am

There is an absolutely gorgeous Indian map in development at the moment (although it might be on vacation)...

Bit of competition never hurt anyone though. Usually I'd say this was a good first draft, but you've got a lot to live up to (see the Indian Presidencies map).
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
User avatar
Private 1st Class Guiscard
 
Posts: 4103
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:27 pm
Location: In the bar... With my head on the bar
Medals: 1
Map Contribution (1)

Postby Contrickster on Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:02 pm

Guiscard wrote:There is an absolutely gorgeous Indian map in development at the moment (although it might be on vacation)...

Bit of competition never hurt anyone though. Usually I'd say this was a good first draft, but you've got a lot to live up to (see the Indian Presidencies map).


I thought the Colonial aspect made this an original submission. Also my map does not include territories in Burma, whereas my map does include the Himalayas.

Very different, though I'd say complimentary rather than in competition. Straight competition my map loses.

Hope the designer of Indian Presidencies comes back and completes the work because it looks great.

Meanwhile I can take a few ideas from that map.

*Desert smudging (India Presidencies has the Thar *Desert the wrong colour!)
*Sea border highlights and shading
*Background picture
*Textured lands
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Guiscard on Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:10 pm

Yeh I'm not saying there's room for both, just that its a nice map to arpire to.

This is a great start though and I'll be interested to follow it as it develops.

Have you read the Forster novel? Its probably one of my favourite books to be honest, and I've studied it in depth as a critique of colonialism and as a commentary on colonialism in general.
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
User avatar
Private 1st Class Guiscard
 
Posts: 4103
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:27 pm
Location: In the bar... With my head on the bar
Medals: 1
Map Contribution (1)

Postby Anarkistsdream on Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:16 pm

I think this is a great idea... I think the water passages are a little big... Maybe make smaller dots closer together..?
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
User avatar
Corporal Anarkistsdream
 
Posts: 7553
Joined: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:57 am
Medals: 35
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (1)
Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (3) General Achievement (1)

Postby Contrickster on Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:48 pm

Just worked out the trick whereby you can blend images into the background.
New Layer > Paste image > Click on layer > Set opacity toggle

I'll do a search for non-copyrighted images to improve my map but will welcome bright ideas/links to suggestions.


Guiscard wrote:Yeh I'm not saying there's room for both, just that its a nice map to arpire to.

This is a great start though and I'll be interested to follow it as it develops.

Have you read the Forster novel? Its probably one of my favourite books to be honest, and I've studied it in depth as a critique of colonialism and as a commentary on colonialism in general.


I read it and seen the film. I wouldn't read too much into it critique wise.


BTW any suggestions on playability?
Last edited by Contrickster on Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Contrickster on Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:49 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:I think this is a great idea... I think the water passages are a little big... Maybe make smaller dots closer together..?


Smaller dots closer together... like the idea.
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:56 pm

make it attractive it is now way to dark and messy
Image
Captain Lone.prophet
 
Posts: 1467
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:37 pm
Location: Your basement Muahaha
Medals: 19
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Map Contribution (1)

Postby Contrickster on Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:16 pm

Lone.prophet wrote:make it attractive it is now way to dark and messy


I could do away with the lighting feature that darkens the picture.

For Mountains I have "wingdings" #5 :P... could do better than that.

What else makes it messy? Anything specific in addition to colour? I plan to think more about how the borders look.
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Lone.prophet on Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:21 pm

try adding thing step by step,
first take the basic map, u have countries here and try to color them to a feeling that u think is best for the map.

than u go on with adding mountains and such.

if u trow everything in at once it very diffucult to critique. so i suggest first do the coloring than add better mountain.

U however dont need to listen to me :P
Image
Captain Lone.prophet
 
Posts: 1467
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:37 pm
Location: Your basement Muahaha
Medals: 19
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Map Contribution (1)

Postby Jack0827 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:20 pm

nice draft. I just downloded gimp myself and this map is a great encouragment to me
User avatar
Private Jack0827
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:54 pm
Location: newport news va
Medals: 3
Standard Achievement (1) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1)

Postby Contrickster on Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:53 pm

Lone.prophet wrote:try adding thing step by step,
first take the basic map, u have countries here and try to color them to a feeling that u think is best for the map.

than u go on with adding mountains and such.

if u trow everything in at once it very diffucult to critique. so i suggest first do the coloring than add better mountain.

U however dont need to listen to me :P


It's so tempting to rush ahead!

Here's a basic map. Like the Indian Presidencies map I could have an image merged into the background. Or I could go for a different style.

Image
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Samus on Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:19 am

The colonial territories are sort of an interesting idea, but I don't think they will play out well.

They have 10 territories and you have to defend 8 of them! I think that's the most borders I've ever seen, obviously you'd never hold this in singles.

But in a team game, Imagine if your teammate owned Deccan. Suddenly you only have 3 borders to defend (and he has only 2 now), both of you are getting way too much bonus in relation to your exposure.

Try something more like what you just posted.
User avatar
Major Samus
 
Posts: 372
Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:33 pm

Postby Contrickster on Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:07 am

Samus wrote:The colonial territories are sort of an interesting idea, but I don't think they will play out well.

They have 10 territories and you have to defend 8 of them! I think that's the most borders I've ever seen, obviously you'd never hold this in singles.

But in a team game, Imagine if your teammate owned Deccan. Suddenly you only have 3 borders to defend (and he has only 2 now), both of you are getting way too much bonus in relation to your exposure.

Try something more like what you just posted.


Good points.

I'm still playing around with ideas and at a learning stage with GIMP which is why this was not technically a first draft.


I also agree Colonial territories are an interesting feature. The idea was for them to be hard to hold, but once you got them they would swing the game. Much like Asia on World 2.0, Eriador on Middle Earth or Near East on Middle East map. Perhaps I should reduce their number? Where would you reduce the number of borders?

Next update:

Probably remove the Indus/Bramaputra rivers, the andaman and nicobar Islands and reinstate the Maldives. The two rivers make the map look "messy" and are not required as a barrier. The two islands are where I plan to put the key, while I think the map looks better and, is more accurate, with colonial islands to the left of India

I'll add a layer for territory names, smooth out a few kinks, add links between territories. The blue colour is similar to purple so I may adjust the colours.
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby boberz on Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:56 am

i really liked the light effects on the first draft any way to incorporate them please
Cadet boberz
 
Posts: 795
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:21 pm
Medals: 1
Standard Achievement (1)

Postby Contrickster on Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:51 pm

boberz wrote:i really liked the light effects on the first draft any way to incorporate them please


The thing I like about the light is it makes the map look like it's on a desk. This trick also adds perspective.

Problem with the light is the unlit bit is dark. If we can get the unlit bit light enough and the ligth still to look good I'd be all for the light effect.
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Contrickster on Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:59 pm

The light affect is a no go because it requires the rest of the map to be dark... too dark for an active playing surface.

Image

Am I getting closer to a workable draft? Possibly moving to an idea that Colonial territories could be bonus territories aka Capitals on the Indian Presidency map. i.e not continent. Or, they could be a continent.

Image
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Contrickster on Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:24 pm

First Draft 21/03/07

Suggested technical details:

Muslim Lands: 6 territories, 2 borders, bonus = 3
Sikh Empire: 3 territories, 4 borders, bonus = 2
Himalayas: 4 territories, 2 borders, bonus = 2
Hindu Kingdom: 9 territories, 9 borders, bonus = 8
Bengal: 4 territories, 4 borders, bonus = 3
Deccan: 5 territories, 4 borders, bonus = 4
Colonial Territories: 5 territories, 4 borders, bonus = 4

Total: 36 territories, 7 continents
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby mibi on Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:31 pm

I like this map, looks really good, nice colors. you can light it with multiple spots in photoshop, just so you know.

like this

Image
User avatar
Captain mibi
 
Posts: 3360
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:19 pm
Location: The Great State of Vermont
Medals: 13
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1) Map Contribution (5)
General Contribution (3)

Postby Contrickster on Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:11 am

That lights up the map without looking too dark. I think GIMP has multiple spots. Will see if I can get it looking like that.

However the lighting is just the finishing touch....

How is the rest of the map? I've reduced the numbers of borders. 36 makes it a small map - perhaps I should add some more territories? I need to improve the look of the barriers, the key and title. Would be nice to have some suggestions/constructive criticism from third party.
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby Contrickster on Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:22 pm

Second draft:
Beige background
Image

Blue background
Image
Corporal 1st Class Contrickster
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:24 pm

Postby I GOT SERVED on Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:10 pm

I'd suggest clearing up the bit that says "barriers passable where indicated"

That sounds a bit confusing....
Image


Highest score: 2512
Highest rank: 424
User avatar
Major I GOT SERVED
 
Posts: 1532
Joined: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:42 pm
Location: Good 'ol New England
Medals: 45
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3)
Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3)
Ratings Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (3) Clan Achievement (3)

Postby luckiekevin on Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:11 pm

Are the gray areas impassable borders? If so, they can be a little darker for more clarity.

This is a great start
User avatar
Corporal luckiekevin
 
Posts: 272
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:08 pm
Location: California
Medals: 5
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1)

Postby KEYOGI on Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:17 pm

I really just prefer the Indian Presidencies. Would it not be better to work with the original cartographer of that map to get it finished?
Sergeant 1st Class KEYOGI
 
Posts: 1632
Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:09 am
Medals: 3
Map Contribution (2) General Contribution (1)

Next

Return to Melting Pot: Map Ideas

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Login