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Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:59 am
by Vlasov
I would love to see this map advanced to a playable beta version.

Sure -- it's big and challenging and a bit confusing, but the sheer awesomeness of the concept should be enough to warrant more support and advancement from the Powers That Be at CC.

Not to mention its educational value...

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:11 am
by Vlasov
Same comment at the end of 2019.

What would it take for this map to be advanced to Beta status?

I recently had an experience involving holmium...

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 pm
by HitRed
Many months back someone posted elements wouldn't be fun because any territory could only attack: up, down, left and right.

1. Predictable deploys and attacks. Boring.
2. Winning would mean marching slowly from one side to the other. Boring.

I had a thought. A territory would still attack: up, down, left and right AND all the territories in its group.

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Example

80 HG would attack

Up 48 Cd
Down 112 Cn
Left 79 Au
Right 82 Ti

AND 72 thru 78 Hf, Ta, W, Re, Os, Ir, Pt, (Au included above).

1. More movement
2. Easier to take long bonuses
3. More unpredictable deploys and attacks

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Separately, DoomYushi was concerned about the Elements map not having corners, being "open ended". Meaning the left side and attack the right side. I think open ended keeps all the bonuses more or less equal.

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:00 am
by Vlasov
Good idea, HitRed.
I still think maybe 31 Gallium should be considered a liquid. Its melting point is 30°C (85°F) so it melts if you hold it in your hand.

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:53 am
by HitRed
Vlasov wrote:Good idea, HitRed.
I still think maybe 31 Gallium should be considered a liquid. Its melting point is 30°C (85°F) so it melts if you hold it in your hand.


Wikipedia shows Gallium at Standard temperature and pressure as a solid.

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Very cool element.

Thank you for your post.

HitRed

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:02 am
by iancanton
HitRed wrote:A territory would still attack: up, down, left and right AND all the territories in its group.

i'm neutral to slightly positive about this change.

iancanton wrote:visually, i must say that the black periodic table of v14 has a wow factor that is missing from the previous versions!

a region bonus of +1 for every 4 elements (i prefer this to territories, as this isn't a geographical map) combines well with each player starting with 27 elements, as explained under version 13.

we probably don't need a minimum deploy of 4 troops. this appears to serve no particular purpose other than to prolong someone's death.

there is some room to stretch the squares vertically, so that there's space between the flags and the troop counts.

the shading for ancient autos (no apostrophe wanted!) and gases is good, but needs to be made more obvious, perhaps by using contrasting colours.

this is a map on which i expect extreme stacking to be rare, so i'm not greatly worried about 4-digit blue troop counts overflowing into the black area, which is a concern on some other maps.

while some bonuses are obvious, like alkali metals, others are not, such as all magnetics. for ease of play, i suggest that all bonus descriptions in the legend are preceded by the quantity of elements needed, for example 6 alkali metals or 5 magnetics. this does not apply to the ancient autos or red nuclear decay.

all of the above comments still apply.

43 Tc is missing its dotted purple border.

ian. :)

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:06 pm
by HitRed
Ok, I'll drop that idea of more attack areas.

I guess the real question is, Do I still have a graphic artist?

Ian, before I go any further are there any more changes (besides above) you want? Any ideas that take it to the next level? Artists are rare around here and I won't want to burn a lot of his time in reworks.

HitRed

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:40 am
by EBConquer
HitRed wrote:Ok, I'll drop that idea of more attack areas.

I guess the real question is, Do I still have a graphic artist?

Ian, before I go any further are there any more changes (besides above) you want? Any ideas that take it to the next level? Artists are rare around here and I won't want to burn a lot of his time in reworks.

HitRed


Yes , I’m still here :lol:

Actually just came back from a great cc break and much needed.

Last thing I did was widening up the squares, never shared. It’s a job and lots of math involved. Was going to show one row, then go from there. Highlights on different terts is the easy stuff.

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:59 am
by HitRed
EBConquer wrote:
HitRed wrote:Ok, I'll drop that idea of more attack areas.

I guess the real question is, Do I still have a graphic artist?

Ian, before I go any further are there any more changes (besides above) you want? Any ideas that take it to the next level? Artists are rare around here and I won't want to burn a lot of his time in reworks.

HitRed


Yes , I’m still here :lol:

Actually just came back from a great cc break and much needed.

Last thing I did was widening up the squares, never shared. It’s a job and lots of math involved. Was going to show one row, then go from there. Highlights on different terts is the easy stuff.


This is just amazing! So glad you are back! Let's double check with Ian and make sure we have everything.

HitRed

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:46 am
by HitRed
The Game Log will read as follows.

Atomic Number, Symbol, Element Name

riverj assaulted 1 H Hydrogen from 3 Li Lithium and conquered it from spanishclaret

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A normal turn would look like this

2020-06-28 10:51:05 - cpusurfer got bonus of 1 troops added to 79 Au Gold
2020-06-28 10:51:05 - cpusurfer got bonus of -1 troops added to 88 Ra Radium
2020-06-28 10:51:05 - cpusurfer received 1 troops for holding 52 Tc Tellurium, Flag of Discovery Habsburg Empire
2020-06-28 10:51:05 - cpusurfer received 3 troops for holding 5 Magnetics
2020-06-28 10:51:05 - cpusurfer received 5 troops for holding 6 Alkali metals
2020-06-28 10:51:05 - cpusurfer received 5 troops for 20 regions
2020-06-28 10:51:06 - cpusurfer deployed 8 troops on 75 Re Rhenium
2020-06-28 10:51:09 - cpusurfer assaulted 107 Bh Bohrium from 75 Re Rhenium and conquered it from Bobby4254
2020-06-28 10:51:19 - cpusurfer reinforced 78 Pt Platinum with 5 troops from 79 Au Gold
2020-06-28 10:51:19 - cpusurfer ended the turn

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:12 am
by Vlasov
I like option C.
Also, someone suggested earlier to put the number of elements needed for each group bonus, listed in the legend at the bottom. I agree.

Re: Elements Version V.14

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:20 am
by HitRed
Map corrections:

I would like to change "Each Flag" to "Each Flag of Discovery" This invites the players to dig into the history. Another goal of mine.

The Habsburg Empire flag is on 51 Sb Antimony and should be on 52 Tc Tellurium, Flag of Discovery Habsburg Empire

Flag for 39 Y Yttrium, Flag of Discovery Finland needs to be added

Flag for 118 Og Oganesson, Flag of Discovery Russia needs to be added

Please update bonuses

5 Alkali corrected
5 Alkaline
10 Lathanoids corrected
12 Actinoids corrected
4 Transition A
8 Transition B adjusted due to extreme attack/defend areas
5 Transition C corrected then adjusted due to extreme attack/defend areas. Still 5.
3 Transition D corrected
8 Post Transition
6 Metalloids
7 Other Nonmetals
6 Noble Gases

Question? We are looking at the small map below. It uses outlines instead of symbols. Which is fine. On the large map will we use outlines also? If Yes, OK. If No, then we will have Stonehenge and actual nuclear symbols. I think with the larger area we were thinking of using more symbols on the large map.

Referring to the solid Yellow outline for liquids and black/purple dashes for nuclear. Then we need to consider a color swap between liquids and purple (as nuclear symbols are yellow). Because the legend can't say purple nuclear on one and yellow nuclear symbols on the other and still call it purple as in the XML bonus for nuclear.

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XML READY TO TEST!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pm
by HitRed
Stayed late and kicked it out! :ugeek:

XML for Elements Version v.14

Need Code Inspect to see if it works. Small and large X and Y need updating.

HitRed