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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby dakky21 on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:16 pm

I wonder why is no one talking about me? Someone must have tried something? Didn't find me?

I'd say blacky was poisoned by a noob like Sirius, who didn't know who to choose and he randomly chose blacky. The whole blacky poisoning is looking to me as steering the conversation in a wrong direction.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Ragian on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:17 pm

TX AG 90 wrote:
Ragian wrote:Unless, of course, you're suggesting that I was fishing for him being a day cop and that he investigated Pershy D1.


This

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Okay, son. Keep brewing that. Meanwhile, I'll move on to this:

TX AG 90 wrote:[...] A bunch of us didn't vote for pershy. Unless by defending him most, they think you knew something, which again points a finger at Ragian.


What on earth are you talking about?

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@aage, I found Pershy more suspicious than chap due to the things I mentioned D1. Obviously, chap is doing nothing to redeem himself D2.

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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Ragian on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:21 pm

dakky21 wrote:I wonder why is no one talking about me? Someone must have tried something? Didn't find me?

I'd say blacky was poisoned by a noob like Sirius, who didn't know who to choose and he randomly chose blacky. The whole blacky poisoning is looking to me as steering the conversation in a wrong direction.

Well. We know he has been poisoned. This either means that someone actively poisoned him (SK role?), or that Blacky did something to get poisoned (although, I've never heard of a passive poisoner, though). We can't really do anything about this, but it seems as if someone might be able to save him. They'll probably decide that on their own. We don't need anyone to claim a healer role, nor do we want people to plan their night actions for everyone to see.

I'd still like chap to explain why a claim makes a person not scummy.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby blacky365 on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:25 pm

dakky21 wrote:I wonder why is no one talking about me? Someone must have tried something? Didn't find me?


I have bigger fish to fry at the moment (no pun intended :lol: ) so wasn’t thinking about who may be scum.
But why say this? Are you asking us to look at you?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby blacky365 on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:27 pm

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dakky21 wrote:I wonder why is no one talking about me? Someone must have tried something? Didn't find me?

I'd say blacky was poisoned by a noob like Sirius, who didn't know who to choose and he randomly chose blacky. The whole blacky poisoning is looking to me as steering the conversation in a wrong direction.

Well. We know he has been poisoned. This either means that someone actively poisoned him (SK role?), or that Blacky did something to get poisoned (although, I've never heard of a passive poisoner, though). We can't really do anything about this, but it seems as if someone might be able to save him. They'll probably decide that on their own. We don't need anyone to claim a healer role, nor do we want people to plan their night actions for everyone to see.

I'd still like chap to explain why a claim makes a person not scummy.


I imagine only a doctor or healer can fix me and it must be something they decide alone... so if ure looking for an easy lynch then vote me otherwise I wud urge the healer to save my ass
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Ragian on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:31 pm

I don't think you're scum, so I have no inclination to lynch you. I thought Pershy was scum. That's how I use my vote :shrug:
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Sirius Kase on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:57 pm

Where ARE the experienced players? Only newbies posting, now that blacky has cleared it up that he's inexperienced, too.

I can't stop thinking about that bandwagon and blacky FoS. Who was it that influenced that many people to vote the wrong way?

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I wonder why is no one talking about me? Someone must have tried something? Didn't find me?


Why does dakky think we should be discussing him? Did he try something? Did he expect to be seen? Was he intending to be a decoy? Also, he suggests that the blacky poisoning was meant to divert attention from something else. What could be so important that sacrificing blacky would be worth it? Dakky talks like he knows something. But, I'm not sure he does.

This either means that someone actively poisoned him (SK role?), or that Blacky did something to get poisoned (although, I've never heard of a passive poisoner, though)
. That's why I suggested food poisoning. Blacky may have been peacefully trying to eat someone lower on the food chain.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Sirius Kase on Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:59 pm

I typed that first line before dakky and Ragian posted. Didn't mean to throw the newbie net over them, too.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Ragian on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:03 pm

No harm, no foul :)

People will chime in. Just hang out at the reef until they do.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Sirius Kase on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:05 pm

blacky365 wrote:I imagine only a doctor or healer can fix me and it must be something they decide alone... so if ure looking for an easy lynch then vote me otherwise I wud urge the healer to save my ass

You just won't know. You are schrodinger's cat. We need to play as though you will die, and we need to play as though you will live, unless doc says something.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Sirius Kase on Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:02 pm

I retract that cat statement. Conversation died. I forgot we were fish.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Tobikera on Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:36 pm

A healer was mentioned in my N1 info from the mod. It's not me, but there is one. So, there's hope for blacky.
And, of course, this throws him into the town grouping.
He also could have been poisoned by misdirection, like a bus driver or some other misdirecting role.
That is, someone else was intended to be poisoned, but that action was re-directed to blacky.
One of the downsides to mis-direction roles, they can sometimes hurt innocent townies.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Ragian on Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:48 pm

Why is him being poisoned a sign of him being town?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby chapcrap on Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:04 pm

Ragian, yeah, if the actions are scummy enough, then that overrides the claim. But on day 1, there isn’t that much scumminess to really be found on anyone prelynch. This is because we know no real truth. So, yeah, if someone claims a powerful town role, then I would be inclined to go with it for day 1. Same exact thing that was done for jfm.

So, my question stands. You found him scummy enough for a lynch? Enough with a very strong town role being claimed? That’s not directed just at Ragian. Mets, Tobi, you added votes post claim. Others did not unvote. Why?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby blacky365 on Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:20 pm

Ragian wrote:Why is him being poisoned a sign of him being town?


I wouldn’t have thought it’s absolute proof, but it’s far more likely
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Tobikera on Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:57 pm

chapcrap wrote:Ragian, yeah, if the actions are scummy enough, then that overrides the claim. But on day 1, there isn’t that much scumminess to really be found on anyone prelynch. This is because we know no real truth. So, yeah, if someone claims a powerful town role, then I would be inclined to go with it for day 1. Same exact thing that was done for jfm.

So, my question stands. You found him scummy enough for a lynch? Enough with a very strong town role being claimed? That’s not directed just at Ragian. Mets, Tobi, you added votes post claim. Others did not unvote. Why?


As stated several times, chapcrap, I, and I believe Ragian the same, found pershy's play, esp. taking jfm10 to L-1, atypical play for him based on many games playing with and against him. His claim could have been true or false. Pershy is an experienced player who can make anything seem real. And, Town Leech is so out there, I found it inconceivable that it was true, or that anyone would counterclaim it.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Skoffin on Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:41 pm

on mobile

To make this day extra spicy I'llreveal that someone tried attacking me last night
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby TX AG 90 on Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:49 pm

Skoffin wrote:on mobile

To make this day extra spicy I'llreveal that someone tried attacking me last night


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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Ragian on Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:00 am

chapcrap wrote:Ragian, yeah, if the actions are scummy enough, then that overrides the claim. But on day 1, there isn’t that much scumminess to really be found on anyone prelynch. This is because we know no real truth. So, yeah, if someone claims a powerful town role, then I would be inclined to go with it for day 1. Same exact thing that was done for jfm.

No. I completely disagree. Jmf's blunder, to me, looked like a noob mistake. Pershy is experienced and came off scummy. I was wrong. If you want to kill me for that, go right ahead. You'd be left in the dark with no lynch, though. See how we're debating the lynch now? What you should ask yourself is whether you believe scum would orchestrate a lynch D1 on a townie (and thus expose themselves). If you think yes, they would, then go right ahead. My thoughts, however, are that if scum are on the vote, then they have made sure not to be one of the main driving forces nor close to the hammer.

blacky365 wrote:
Ragian wrote:Why is him being poisoned a sign of him being town?


I wouldn’t have thought it’s absolute proof, but it’s far more likely

I'm gonna go with "why?" again. Are you talking probability? Because that's true of any action, then.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby ZaBeast on Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:45 am

Skoffin wrote:on mobile

To make this day extra spicy I'll reveal that someone tried attacking me last night

define attacking. You mean anything that would affect you or your actions? It's probably my fault :-$

blacky365 wrote:
Ragian wrote:Why is him being poisoned a sign of him being town?


I wouldn’t have thought it’s absolute proof, but it’s far more likely

Hopefully it's not a trigger-happy vig, leaves SK and scum. Not alignment indicative in the case of the SK, but obviously non-scum if he's been targeted by them.

chapcrap wrote:Ragian, yeah, if the actions are scummy enough, then that overrides the claim. But on day 1, there isn’t that much scumminess to really be found on anyone prelynch. This is because we know no real truth. So, yeah, if someone claims a powerful town role, then I would be inclined to go with it for day 1. Same exact thing that was done for jfm.

So, my question stands. You found him scummy enough for a lynch? Enough with a very strong town role being claimed? That’s not directed just at Ragian. Mets, Tobi, you added votes post claim. Others did not unvote. Why?

It's a double edged sword though. If he was a scum we would have gotten rid of a pretty powerful one as well. And I believe he has been acting scummy. I should steer clear from lynches too close from the deadline though, it seems speed lynching isn't my strong suit.

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jfm10 wrote:My mail says i am fresh water but unless you are a sponge even the salt water one doesn't appear to be very dangerous.

Do any of you have their habitat stated in the role pm in one way or the other? Because I don't, and neither does the example role pm
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby jfm10 on Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:53 am

For post above i was referring to the links provided at the time of the statement.Go back and read for yourself.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby blacky365 on Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:25 am

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I wouldn’t have thought it’s absolute proof, but it’s far more likely

I'm gonna go with "why?" again. Are you talking probability? Because that's true of any action, then.


I guess I was thinking that its more likely a scum can cause harm than a townie. Also because of the ratios of town to scum
ah, but what do i know! :shrugs:
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Ragian on Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 am

An SK would target whoever and you having been targeted by an SK (if that's the case) is not alignment indicative. I don't think I've tried a game where scum poison their targets for them to live the entirety of the next day. Anyone? I'd presume that it's an active SK or a passive 3rd party/town role like a paranoid gu owner or something...
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Tobikera on Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:42 am

Ragian wrote:Why is him being poisoned a sign of him being town?


Now that I think about it, Ragian, I think you are right. If it was a mis-direction play, then he could be anything. But, if he was targeted, then probably town.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Razorvich on Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:05 am

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