Conquer Club

strike wolf wrote:I see that we're not even a full page in and already Vot is overreacting to a joke vote and people are already talking about the way the game is constructed. I'll admit that I'm not really 100% sure I've figured out how this set up works yet, myself.

Vote King because I don't believe in a feudal overlord.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:

strike wolf wrote:I see that we're not even a full page in and already Vot is overreacting to a joke vote and people are already talking about the way the game is constructed. I'll admit that I'm not really 100% sure I've figured out how this set up works yet, myself.

Vote King because I don't believe in a feudal overlord.

I, for one, am a welcoming boot licker.

Vote Strike for his attempts of overthrowing the monarch.

Extreme Ways wrote:@Vot I will also not randomly decide to end the game, players will have time (couple of days minimum) to change their vote.

Loose Canon wrote:I have a theory on how to maximise the power of town.

There are 7 possible town roles

Town Tracker +1
Town Motion +2
Town Inventor +3
Town Joat +4
Towbn Even Night +5
Town Odd night +6
Town roleblocker +7

And we have sign up order;
1. Strike
2 Devante
3 PMC
4 Vot
5 Swang
6 LC
7 DDS
8 King
9 Kong
10 Pix
11 Max
12 Rag
13 Charle
14 Fusi
15 Traf

So what if the Town Tracker added 1 to his sign up Number Town motion add2 to his sign up number etc.. Town roleb +7 to determine who to use abilities on N1.
And maybe Town Tracker -1 N2 , Town motion -2 N2 Town Invent -3 N2 etc
Then extending this into N3 maybe Town Tracker +6, Town Motion +7 Town Invent +8

What I think this would do is as the Town Power Roles are eliminated from D2 onwards, at least if they had followed this pattern we would know who they had used their ability on N1, and for a town power eliminated D3 onwards we would know who they had used their ability on N1 and N2.

Wouldn't this leverage more power/information from Town Power roles once they are eliminated?

Loose Canon wrote:Extreme - what kind of message would a role blocked townie get back?

Loose Canon wrote:I'm just wondering if there might be a mathematical way of devising an optimal pattern of role uses for town.
I observe there are 15 green placings on the matrix, and 15 players in the set up.
It might be possible to predetermine a sequence of what each "power" town role would do each night.
I think it would be complicated and difficult to maintain.
And I'm not sure about it at all.

Just throwing the germs of an idea out there rather than argue myself out of an idea...

Loose Canon wrote:I have a theory on how to maximise the power of town.

There are 7 possible town roles

Town Tracker +1
Town Motion +2
Town Inventor +3
Town Joat +4
Towbn Even Night +5
Town Odd night +6
Town roleblocker +7

And we have sign up order;
1. Strike
2 Devante
3 PMC
4 Vot
5 Swang
6 LC
7 DDS
8 King
9 Kong
10 Pix
11 Max
12 Rag
13 Charle
14 Fusi
15 Traf

So what if the Town Tracker added 1 to his sign up Number Town motion add2 to his sign up number etc.. Town roleb +7 to determine who to use abilities on N1.
And maybe Town Tracker -1 N2 , Town motion -2 N2 Town Invent -3 N2 etc
Then extending this into N3 maybe Town Tracker +6, Town Motion +7 Town Invent +8

What I think this would do is as the Town Power Roles are eliminated from D2 onwards, at least if they had followed this pattern we would know who they had used their ability on N1, and for a town power eliminated D3 onwards we would know who they had used their ability on N1 and N2.

Wouldn't this leverage more power/information from Town Power roles once they are eliminated?

kongming3 wrote:It does feel like game theory can be of some use here even if the above has issues - another option of course would be to have a lynching candidate in mind as part of a group of three. Then, all we would need is for the mafia to kindly reveal one other person in that group of three as not mafia (through giving them an early retirement), and the odds of the other person in that group being mafia has now doubled once we swap to lynching them! As long as everyone works together and has no ulterior motives, I think this game is super gameable

pmchugh wrote:Early vibe lists.

Sus list
1. Swang
2. Traf
3. Loose
4. Charle

Neutral
1. Vot - on the one hand, his usual self, on the other, in one post seems almost parody levels of himself and ignored a second joke vote starting a wagon
2. Raigan
3. Kingm
4. Dds

Town
1. Kong
2. Maxleod

Too scared to rate
Strike

strike wolf wrote:Cant we just enjoy the joke vote phase for a while once and not mediately jump into crazy theories and suggestions?

The tendency in mafia is that overcontrolling town actions especially early tends to favor the informed which in mafia is almost always the scum team.

pmchugh wrote:Early vibe lists.

Sus list
1. Swang
2. Traf
3. Loose
4. Charle

Neutral
1. Vot - on the one hand, his usual self, on the other, in one post seems almost parody levels of himself and ignored a second joke vote starting a wagon
2. Raigan
3. Kingm
4. Dds

Town
1. Kong
2. Maxleod

Too scared to rate
Strike

Don't see the point of posting a vibe list yet. Pretty sure there's some players that haven't even posted yet. I get Loose being on your suss list but what do you feel is suss about Swang, Traf or Charle?

Loose Canon wrote:PMC, Vot what exactly does my theory give away - because I don't think it gives away anything.

Lets say for example - I am Town Odd Night which gives me +6 to my number 7 - that means I would use my ability on Charle.
If I'm eliminated D2 onwards everyone would know I was Town Odd Night and had used my ability on Charle.
Which is information for Town.

But Scum can't use the system to work out roles.

So go on, stop being armchair know it alls - what is wrong with my theory if you really do know it all?

Loose Canon wrote:PMC, Vot what exactly does my theory give away - because I don't think it gives away anything.

Lets say for example - I am Town Odd Night which gives me +6 to my number 7 - that means I would use my ability on Charle.
If I'm eliminated D2 onwards everyone would know I was Town Odd Night and had used my ability on Charle.
Which is information for Town.

But Scum can't use the system to work out roles.

So go on, stop being armchair know it alls - what is wrong with my theory if you really do know it all?

pmchugh wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Cant we just enjoy the joke vote phase for a while once and not mediately jump into crazy theories and suggestions?

The tendency in mafia is that overcontrolling town actions especially early tends to favor the informed which in mafia is almost always the scum team.

pmchugh wrote:Early vibe lists.

Sus list
1. Swang
2. Traf
3. Loose
4. Charle

Neutral
1. Vot - on the one hand, his usual self, on the other, in one post seems almost parody levels of himself and ignored a second joke vote starting a wagon
2. Raigan
3. Kingm
4. Dds

Town
1. Kong
2. Maxleod

Too scared to rate
Strike

Don't see the point of posting a vibe list yet. Pretty sure there's some players that haven't even posted yet. I get Loose being on your suss list but what do you feel is suss about Swang, Traf or Charle?

Last game my early reads lists were better than my subsequent days lol . And why not, it generates chat and is super annoying for mafia to copy. It's just pure pro town.

I don't want to give much away on charle yet, I was his mafia team mate so I think I know him well.

Not buying traf struggling to understand the setup.

Swang is just pure vibes.

Loose Canon wrote:I have a theory on how to maximise the power of town.

There are 7 possible town roles

Town Tracker +1
Town Motion +2
Town Inventor +3
Town Joat +4
Towbn Even Night +5
Town Odd night +6
Town roleblocker +7

And we have sign up order;
1. Strike
2 Devante
3 PMC
4 Vot
5 Swang
6 LC
7 DDS
8 King
9 Kong
10 Pix
11 Max
12 Rag
13 Charle
14 Fusi
15 Traf

So what if the Town Tracker added 1 to his sign up Number Town motion add2 to his sign up number etc.. Town roleb +7 to determine who to use abilities on N1.
And maybe Town Tracker -1 N2 , Town motion -2 N2 Town Invent -3 N2 etc
Then extending this into N3 maybe Town Tracker +6, Town Motion +7 Town Invent +8

What I think this would do is as the Town Power Roles are eliminated from D2 onwards, at least if they had followed this pattern we would know who they had used their ability on N1, and for a town power eliminated D3 onwards we would know who they had used their ability on N1 and N2.

Wouldn't this leverage more power/information from Town Power roles once they are eliminated?

pmchugh wrote:

kongming3 wrote:It does feel like game theory can be of some use here even if the above has issues - another option of course would be to have a lynching candidate in mind as part of a group of three. Then, all we would need is for the mafia to kindly reveal one other person in that group of three as not mafia (through giving them an early retirement), and the odds of the other person in that group being mafia has now doubled once we swap to lynching them! As long as everyone works together and has no ulterior motives, I think this game is super gameable

Wait, what? I take back the town read.

TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:As usual I think D1 is not really useful and with less town roles even less.

Ragian wrote:I think others have covered how I feel about Loose's plan, so no need to for me. I'll just say what should always be said: 1) Don't give away info to scum in a dumbass attempt "to figure out the setup". It doesn't help town. 2) Speak and accuse. This generates intel in the long run. We can't rely on dumb luck like a cop hitting scum D1.

Also, Vote PMS who is back to purposefully misspelling my name. Go get him, DDS!