Conquer Club

Accused:
Team 1
ljex
jricart
Sawdust91
Team 2
santoch
GhoStedar

The accused are suspected of:

Other: The level of cooperation between Team 1 and two of Team 2 players is too high. Game is highly slated. I am not sure if this is Multi accounting or something else, but this is not a fair game. See my comments below.

Game number(s):

Game 8602986

Comments:

The game I am playing is Game 8602986 Oasis and we are in round 3. This is a 2 team game with four players on each side.

Initially, the first three players on Team 1 team all loaded all units to Red (ljex). Interesting strategy but ok. Then GhoStedar on Team 2 chatted up we should go after the other players on Team 2 but not Red. In the first two rounds then, both GhoStedar and santoch only go after Team 2 Players and seem to intentionally go around Team 1 players! I posted a question the team chat as to why and GhoStedar who had been chatting suddenly goes silent. The third Team 2 player is a no show so I am left as the only player on Team 2 effectively. NOTE: The Blue player on Team 1 Victor Sullivan appears to be playing independantly.

Please review this game and these players.

Regards,

MrPipes

yah they deff aint multis and they deff aint no sec deplomacy..... im sure your prob just new to that map and dont understand team games.... some team games you stack on 1 player some you stack on all players..... that must be a map where you stack on 1 player

lol. You joined one of ljex's farming games.

The stack is the strategy. ljex stacked cuz he's the freestyle player. His pards are only along for the ride. If it wasn't for these kind of games ijex would probably be a Major.

I'd recommend foeing those on your team that failed to be team players and you should never join a f/s game vs ljex again unless you actually have a functioning team.

yup, you got sucker punched. Next time get your teamcoordination in order before you join a freestyel game against a team above the rank of LT...
I am no multi hunter, but multi's seem unlikely. Your team falling apart seems like normal non permanent teambehaviour. Stacking on Ljax, well he is a farmer of freestyle oasis, so yea that fits him like a glove. However, talking advantage of players who do not know what they are doing, but who should know better is not an offense. Sorry mate, you seem to be out of luck on this one. I suggest you follow the above advice and steer clear of team (freestyle) games untill you work out your team

It is not the stacking that is the issue. Interesting strategy and all but not the issue. Whether team 2 had a good or bad start is not the issue. The issue is that in a team game the two teams should be opposing from the get go. The two players on Team 2 went out of their way to aviod ljex and ensure there was no one left on team 2. With another player MIA after the initial deploy, that essentially leave only on play on a team vs 6-7 others.

A suckerpunch is one thing where a Solo victory is king, but this is outright stacking a game with players on both teams supporting only one player. Whether this is multi or private PM or friends coming in with preset objectives, this isn't fair play.

Let's assume your comment is valid..."talking advantage of players who do not know what they are doing, but who should know better is not an offense". If this is the case, then there would need to be a publicly posted chat message inviting the two team 2 players to help team 1. This didn't occur. The two Team 2 players attacked the most heavily fortifed Team 2 positions and avoided attacking the team 1 positions even if there was only 1 unit in a strategic position.

If being a farmer of freestyle oasis is a open style where multiple players supports their buddy, this is a seriously flawed set of rules. I suspect though this is not the intent of the site.

Again, I will await the moderators to review the game and the players and make a fair call.

Regards,

MrPipes

ljex doesn't set these games up to attract unsuspecting and inferior players, he told me so himself.

ljex plays great numbers of these games at a time. He wins most of them. This one game is no exception, but they aren't multis, I can almost guarantee that right now.

-rd

he's winning is your analysis that he is playing fair?

In a quick look, I can see three games right off the cuff where ljex and santoch play Oasis together. I can also see where ljex also has regurlar allies that constantly play together.

8602983, 7926807, 8602986. In all three games santoch is on team 2 and ljex is on team 1. Team one is consistently dominant and team 2 is constantly undermined from within. In 2 of the 3 games santoch successfully deploys in the first round and then misses his turn in round 2 which puts team 2 at a severe disadvantage. In the third game, he attack his own team directly vs waiting a round. In reviewing these types of games, it is clear there are patterns occuring.

In general, a reasonable set of House Rules for fair play on any good gaming site is as follows:
- Having more than one account in a game, including having access to more than one account for a brief period.
- Entering an anonymous game knowing who another player is/who other players are in the game.
- Breaking communication rules in games where these are restricted.
- Communicating about alliances prior to the game starting or entering the game with a preset alliance.
- Misusing a "dummy" account in a game.
- Allying with another player only because of previous knowledge.
- Carrying an alliance from one game to another.
- Linking actions or alliances in one game with actions or alliances in another.
- Entering a game with a preset plan to attack other players.
- Threatening action against a player for real or perceived cheating.

My guess is ljex's string of unusually good luck is more related to these types of behaviors outside of the game over good gaming and good strategy inside of the game.
- Having more than one account in a game, including having access to more than one account for a brief period.
- Entering a game with a preset plan to attack other players.
- Carrying an alliance from one game to another.
- Misusing a "dummy" account in a game.
- Communicating about alliances prior to the game starting or entering the game with a preset alliance.

Again, I will leave it to the moderators to review and decide if this sort of behavior is acceptable.

Regards,

MrPipes

What Ljex is known to do, is set up 8 player quad oasis freestyle games, and invites 1 team. Then, most of the time, new players like yourself join those games a team 2, and get crushed by Ljex since he knows what he is doing and because his team is coordinated, and deploys on him in a stack, and the other team doesn't know what to do.

It's not against the rules at all.

What your saying is he is systematically farming new players with a preset game strategy and that is ok on this site?

MrPipes wrote:he's winning is your analysis that he is playing fair?

In a quick look, I can see three games right off the cuff where ljex and santoch play Oasis together. I can also see where ljex also has regurlar allies that constantly play together.

8602983, 7926807, 8602986. In all three games santoch is on team 2 and ljex is on team 1. Team one is consistently dominant and team 2 is constantly undermined from within. In 2 of the 3 games santoch successfully deploys in the first round and then misses his turn in round 2 which puts team 2 at a severe disadvantage. In the third game, he attack his own team directly vs waiting a round. In reviewing these types of games, it is clear there are patterns occuring.

Those 3 games are examples where those people joined against him, sure. And he did win, sure, but what about the near countless other times he's won on that map? Usually against people he's never played against? Are those multi's, too?

In general, a reasonable set of House Rules for fair play on any good gaming site is as follows:
- Having more than one account in a game, including having access to more than one account for a brief period.
- Entering an anonymous game knowing who another player is/who other players are in the game.
- Breaking communication rules in games where these are restricted.
- Communicating about alliances prior to the game starting or entering the game with a preset alliance.
- Misusing a "dummy" account in a game.
- Allying with another player only because of previous knowledge.
- Carrying an alliance from one game to another.
- Linking actions or alliances in one game with actions or alliances in another.
- Entering a game with a preset plan to attack other players.
- Threatening action against a player for real or perceived cheating.

That's nice, but even as our Community Guidelines say, we do not adopt customs of other sites just because they're "general house rules". CC is in a world of it's own.

My guess is ljex's string of unusually good luck is more related to these types of behaviors outside of the game over good gaming and good strategy inside of the game.
- Having more than one account in a game, including having access to more than one account for a brief period.
- Entering a game with a preset plan to attack other players.
- Carrying an alliance from one game to another.
- Misusing a "dummy" account in a game.
- Communicating about alliances prior to the game starting or entering the game with a preset alliance.

Again, I will leave it to the moderators to review and decide if this sort of behavior is acceptable.

Regards,

MrPipes

The above is only useful if he actually is proven to be a multi, not evidence to suggest he is.

-rd

ps on the fast post: Yes, considering that they join his games, he doesn't invite him.

MrPipes wrote:What your saying is he is systematically farming new players with a preset game strategy and that is ok on this site?

The rule on this site ONLY is in affect if New Recruits are being played. Not low ranks.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

MrPipes wrote:What your saying is he is systematically farming new players with a preset game strategy and that is ok on this site?

The rule on this site ONLY is in affect if New Recruits are being played. Not low ranks.

^^ AND...

He doesn't 'systematically farm' them... they join on their own. He doesn't go around and join the all, they join his games. And as you might have noticed, he doesn't even invite them.

I am going to jump in to defend the OP MrPipes.
He states that player santoch is sometimes playing against his own team. i did do no further research here, but i'd like to ask, is there any reason why santoch is not simply mistaken, that he thought he was on the other team?
either way, i would not like santoch on my team......

however i do not believe ljex would ever consider such a tactic, so i dont think its connected.
santoch might be a bad player, but there is no need for a conspiricy here.

MrPipes, did i correctly sum up the remainder of your complaint?

QoH wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:

MrPipes wrote:What your saying is he is systematically farming new players with a preset game strategy and that is ok on this site?

The rule on this site ONLY is in affect if New Recruits are being played. Not low ranks.

^^ AND...

He doesn't 'systematically farm' them... they join on their own. He doesn't go around and join the all, they join his games. And as you might have noticed, he doesn't even invite them.

Rulings in the past have actually had warnings and Point Resets for players who set up a ton of one gametype in hopes that it attracts only attracts New Recruits. So that doesn't exactly fly anymore.

Point resets?

Can they reset my points to 1000000000?

ANyways, I hadn't heard of that. But do a lot of new players REALLY go and search for quads, oasis, manual and freestyle games?

QoH wrote:Point resets?

Can they reset my points to 1000000000?

ANyways, I hadn't heard of that. But do a lot of new players REALLY go and search for quads, oasis, manual and freestyle games?

New Recruits can't join games on Oasis. New "players" by which I mean low rankers that just came out of NR stage, probably see them on the first page of Join A Game, so they just join it randomly.

I believe they join the oldest open games. those highest on the list

My initial suspicion is with the seemingly planted trojin horse that I wanted reviewed...this is the purpose of this forum right? But there is a deeper issue here isn't there?

Apparantly the interpretation of Farming is limited to direct recruitment of newish players on the opposing team.

I would think that Farming should include the laying of hundreds (literally I just counted) of preset traps with a preset strategy intended to benefit only one player is just not good gaming. The only purpose of this type of strategy is to lay ambush so as to quickly earn rank. Even the above mentions if it weren't for this "oasis farming" ljex would be a major. How is this good gaming? Earning Field Marshal status by this method is for pikers who cannot win by strategy alone and so have to tilt the game in their favor before it even begins inorder to get an edge.

For tournement play, this is ok to have a team and a strategy and play a competive game. For casual play though, supporting this type of play is simply a discouragement for anyone new. New players who want to play a casual game, try out variants have to be on guard that the site inner circles and the most high ranking players are laying traps?

And your right, I am new player to this site with only 5 completed games. I am 3 for 5 so far which seems like a good start to me. I like gaming of all sorts and am considering supporting this site as I do others but I want to know that fair play is truly at the core of the site. Stepping into a trap and being told I was sucker punched by the second highest ranking player and that I better wise up is really not so welcoming.

Regards,

MrPipes

MrPipes wrote:My initial suspicion is with the seemingly planted trojin horse that I wanted reviewed...this is the purpose of this forum right? But there is a deeper issue here isn't there?

Apparantly the interpretation of Farming is limited to direct recruitment of newish players on the opposing team.

I would think that Farming should include the laying of hundreds (literally I just counted) of preset traps with a preset strategy intended to benefit only one player is just not good gaming. The only purpose of this type of strategy is to lay ambush so as to quickly earn rank. Even the above mentions if it weren't for this "oasis farming" ljex would be a major. How is this good gaming? Earning Field Marshal status by this method is for pikers who cannot win by strategy alone and so have to tilt the game in their favor before it even begins inorder to get an edge.

If you don't like the rule, post your change in Suggestions. But you are in essence removing the players ability to play whatever kind of game they want. What about speed freestyle players that shoot up the scoreboard via maps like City Mogul? All they do is play 1v1 freestyle on it against players who aren't very good at the map.

MOST players who do get to Field Marshall, are either 1v1 City Mogul players, Play ONLY team games, or find a different way to get around the system. It's always going to be there.

MrPipes wrote:What your saying is he is systematically farming new players with a preset game strategy and that is ok on this site?

As long as you're not a new recruit, yes, sadly yes.

MrPipes wrote:My initial suspicion is with the seemingly planted trojin horse that I wanted reviewed...this is the purpose of this forum right? But there is a deeper issue here isn't there?

Apparantly the interpretation of Farming is limited to direct recruitment of newish players on the opposing team.

I would think that Farming should include the laying of hundreds (literally I just counted) of preset traps with a preset strategy intended to benefit only one player is just not good gaming. The only purpose of this type of strategy is to lay ambush so as to quickly earn rank. Even the above mentions if it weren't for this "oasis farming" ljex would be a major. How is this good gaming? Earning Field Marshal status by this method is for pikers who cannot win by strategy alone and so have to tilt the game in their favor before it even begins inorder to get an edge.

For tournement play, this is ok to have a team and a strategy and play a competive game. For casual play though, supporting this type of play is simply a discouragement for anyone new. New players who want to play a casual game, try out variants have to be on guard that the site inner circles and the most high ranking players are laying traps?

And your right, I am new player to this site with only 5 completed games. I am 3 for 5 so far which seems like a good start to me. I like gaming of all sorts and am considering supporting this site as I do others but I want to know that fair play is truly at the core of the site. Stepping into a trap and being told I was sucker punched by the second highest ranking player and that I better wise up is really not so welcoming.

Regards,

MrPipes

Yes, it is hard to earn a good rank. And yes, most of the people who did earn it play the maps/settings that are unusual and hard for other players. He is not the first one and I think he is not the last one. You joined that game and stepped into unknown territory - it is was your choice. So he actually didn't break any rules. Do I find it a cheap tactics? Hell yes. But it is not against the rules to play the games and settings you are strong at.

Try to play with people who are of your own rank and you will find it more enjoyable.

they play these games for easy points on purpose. its legal but sneaky.

Yeah, you've simply been unlucky there Mr.Pipes. Live and learn I guess.

If you have any doubts in future about the opposing team then you should do a search on the player (usually the first in the list or the high-ranker) and check his games played. If you see a pattern emerge, e.g. he predominantly plays one map and wins all the time, then he's most likely farming and you're better off avoiding those games.

If you're stuck for a decent team mate drop me or Dako a line and we'll play with you if it serves to help your enjoyment of the site. Cheers and good luck.

Chariot of Fire wrote:Yeah, you've simply been unlucky there Mr.Pipes. Live and learn I guess.

If you have any doubts in future about the opposing team then you should do a search on the player (usually the first in the list or the high-ranker) and check his games played. If you see a pattern emerge, e.g. he predominantly plays one map and wins all the time, then he's most likely farming and you're better off avoiding those games.

If you're stuck for a decent team mate drop me or Dako a line and we'll play with you if it serves to help your enjoyment of the site. Cheers and good luck.

or even easier get this add on.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=528&t=133935

it will tell you the players ability and rank on that map,.