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Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
Posted:
Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:25 pmby bamage
Colonel Krink6D9The accused are suspected of:
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Game number(s):
Game 13880624Comments:
Here's an easy one. The accused joined this foggy game. When (after 50 rounds) I took one of them out, I noticed that he could have easily been taken out by the other and had amassed on other fronts. I did some research, saw that over a third of 6D9's games are played with Colonel Krink. I brought it up in the chat, wherein Colonel Krink acknowledged three things:
1. They're "family"
2. They often play from eachother's computers
3. They have an "unwritten rule" of not "f*&$ing with" each other.
#1 and #2 aren't necessarily bad, but #3 is a standing truce they carry with them from game to game. It's cheating. Colonel Krink thinks they "can't be the first" to do this and is acting like he doesn't know it's cheating. This is all in the chat.
Please enlighten them. It's not fair to other players who join foggy singles games with them.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:40 pmby sniffie
They do not seem multis to me.
I also do think Bamage that you have somewhat interpreted the game chat wrong. Some players can play somewhat "different then others".
If you have no further evidence that both accused are conductind SD, they are of the hook.
sniff
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:07 pmby universalchiro
This is very obvious how could anyone miss this secret diplomacy? I know its SOP to give benefit of the doubt, but with no public agreement in chat between colonel Krink & 6d9, yet perfect harmony on border truces and harmonious alliance w/o game chat proposal of truce, modification of conditions of truce and no term limits of truce? Come on this is obvious.
For a truce must start with a proposition, a request for the other player in game chat. Any other form of a proposal for truce is a violation. And Colonel Krink admits to a long standing formed alliance from multiple prior games. That's cheating to enter a standard game with an already commence alliance.
The moderator said they don't seem like miltis-. Very odd to address an accusation that was not proposed by OP, how about rereading the original post for secret diplomacy and not a multiple account.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:58 pmby Kaskavel
I am sorry, since I prefer defending people than accusing them, but OP and Chiro seem totaly right.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:02 pmby sniffie
Still looking into this, the multi check I did is standard. No matter what the accusation is.
I'll look further to see if there is foul play or not.
If you guys think they are conducting SD, feel free to provide some evidence, game numbers and thinks like that.
Sniff
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
Posted:
Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:53 amby Agent 86
I will talk to my clan member directly to find out myself...
*edit
sniffie wrote:I also do think Bamage that you have somewhat interpreted the game chat wrong. Some players can play somewhat "different then others".
If you have no further evidence that both accused are conductind SD, they are of the hook.
sniff
sniff you are correct,
Colonel and I have discussed this and IA are happy that there is no SD going on. His reply to me,
Colonel Krink wrote:Hey bud, just read your message. There's obviously some confusion ! This guy's accusing us of cheating which is not the case. One of the borders between 6D9 and I were not heavily fortified but some of the terts behind the front lines were. All I said was it's like an unwritten rule between players by not stock piling the borders we divert our attention in another direction for the time being, there will come a time when we will attack each other without notice. NEVER did we ever say or do anything towards an agreement without posting it in the chat for everyone to see. Games that I've played the same players over and over this just becomes a habit, it's like a subliminal message. Correct me if I'm wrong. Sorry it had to get this far. I hope this helps !
Colonel Krink.
Kaskavel wrote:I am sorry, since I prefer defending people than accusing them, but OP and Chiro seem totaly right.
Kaskavel the 2 map wonder..did you do your homework?
universalchiro wrote: Come on this is obvious.
I guess you would have experience in this lol
86
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
Posted:
Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:28 pmby bamage
lol. okay. The facts remain: I saw ALL of 6D9 as I eliminated him (to eliminate someone, you need to see all of him at some point, last I checked.) They were pretlezed around each other in the fog (I can't say where, as the game is ongoing) and there was no reason Krink should have been leaving him alive. And when I challenged him on this he said they have an unwritten rule and "we can't be the first!?" Later, he acknowledged that they're family and log in from the same computers. But I guess that - all evidence to the contrary, in this game and the 118 (of 340) games that 6D9 has played with Krink - his clan mate's assurance that there was no secret diplomacy is enough.
The fact is that they carry an alliance with them from game to game. He didn't even think this was cheating. When he realized how ridiculous that was he tried re-casting what he said publicly in chat.
This is beyond ridiculous. Agent 86, dismissing this so steadfastly just makes you look like foolish. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Ciao.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
Posted:
Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:52 pmby bamage
Research turns up the most interesting things on the Colonel...
Of the 28 standard games that had at least 6 players in them that had Colonel Krink, 6D9 and Toots_Away, one of those three won all but 8 of them. 12 of the 28 6+ player games were won by the Colonel, specifically. I wonder what an IP Address check will turn up about Toots_Away. 41 of that fremium player's 90 games have have been played with the Colonel. 47 of the 91 were played with 6D9. Profile says he's Canadian. I'll bet that:
1. they log in from the same IP frequently, just like the Colonel and 6D9 do
2. Colonel will claim they're family
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
Posted:
Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:30 pmby Agent 86
Of course the Mods have the final say..IA don't consider him to be a cheater..
So we will wait on the pending decision..feel free anyone to produce biased accusations.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:26 pmby Kaskavel
Agent 86 wrote:Kaskavel wrote:I am sorry, since I prefer defending people than accusing them, but OP and Chiro seem totaly right.
Kaskavel the 2 map wonder..did you do your homework?
I do not know what "the 2 map wonder" means, but no, I have not done my homework.
I am not a moderator and I do not feel obliged to do my homework in a C and A topic where I posted exactly 18 words, especialy when those 18 words agreed with another post, which proposes that homework is probably not needed to conclude the case.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:33 pmby lokisgal
Just to set the record straight IA is waiting on the mods to sort this out .
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:04 amby Major.Bossman
While it is acceptable for friends and family to play with or against one another, the issue seems to be if they are willing favoring each other in this and possibly other games. If this is an isolated event that happened by chance the charge of secret diplomacy should not be applied but if this is an on going issue that could be grounds for secret diplomacy. Intentional favoring of a player tilts the game causing a disadvantage to the other people playing.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
Posted:
Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:12 pmby bamage
And nuclear war would be a very bad thing.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:41 pmby Agent 86
bamage wrote:And nuclear war would be a very bad thing.
So you are making fun of this now? You have caused a lot of PM's and chatter without your knowing, IA still declare there is nothing to see here. Hope everyone can move forward..Nukes are a fun game with the right settings, enjoy everyone.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:40 pmby bamage
86, read the whole thread and ask yourself who is trying (desperately? ) to infuse the conversation with insult and negativity. That would be you.
You promised you were leaving. Stick to your guns.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:47 pmby bamage
Agent 86 wrote:You have caused a lot of PM's and chatter without your knowing
How can that be? According to you, there is nothing at all to talk about.
Regardless of what the mods determine, I am confident that the colonel will at least decrease the frequency with which he loads six-player games with his supposed housemate and family member fremiums.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:54 amby iAmCaffeine
Agent 86 wrote:bamage wrote:And nuclear war would be a very bad thing.
So you are making fun of this now? You have caused a lot of PM's and chatter without your knowing, IA still declare there is nothing to see here. Hope everyone can move forward..Nukes are a fun game with the right settings, enjoy everyone.
You might not read this because you have me foed (you scared?) but you may want to tread carefully, like your co-(main)leader and just wait for the decision.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:19 amby sniffie
After internal discussion and reviewing other games, I have decided to warn both players.
sniff
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:26 pmby bamage
I'm foeing him anyways... he'll just onboard other identities, like he did with toots_away. Either that, or his score will plummet. Either way, he's not worth my time.
And of course Agent86 didn't stick to his hysterical, breast-clutching threat to quit CC. So we've learned that he's full of crap, too.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:37 pmby Agent 86
bamage wrote:I'm foeing him anyways... he'll just onboard other identities, like he did with toots_away. Either that, or his score will plummet. Either way, he's not worth my time.
And of course Agent86 didn't stick to his hysterical, breast-clutching threat to quit CC. So we've learned that he's full of crap, too.
So you are trying to bait me, won't work
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:55 pmby bamage
Agent 86 wrote:So you are making fun of this now? You have caused a lot of PM's and chatter without your knowing, IA still declare there is nothing to see here.
Well... a fairminded, somewhat-embarrassed (by association) member of your esteemed clan has let us know, via copy/paste, exactly what three of IA's members really think went on here. We're noodling around what to do with it, if anything. In the meantime, the more you say, the better.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:13 pmby Agent 86
Well please tell all, I for one would like to know exactly what has been said..cmon then spill the beans oh righteous one. Also please name these 3 so I can talk with them to get to the bottom of this?? Seems like this is an attack at our clan..yeah we really fear LOW
Ok, copy paste it to me then..
In the meantime, the more you say, the better.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:32 pmby bamage
It's just one.
And LOW has nothing to do with this.
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
Posted:
Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:05 pmby Agent 86
bamage wrote:Agent 86 wrote:So you are making fun of this now? You have caused a lot of PM's and chatter without your knowing, IA still declare there is nothing to see here.
Well... a fairminded, somewhat-embarrassed (by association) member of your esteemed clan has let us know, via copy/paste, exactly what three of IA's members really think went on here. We're noodling around what to do with it, if anything. In the meantime, the more you say, the better.
Really, then what you just posted is not true... a fairminded, somewhat-embarrassed (by association) member..so who is this esteemed liar that you speak of? But you said three of IA's members really think went on here..so you retract this statement?
Well sniffe, I await your PM..meanwhile because of the last few posts, I request a review of how this was decided.
Due to the respsect of my clan, I will not take anymore baiting and refuse to post on CC forums again.
Agent is now in the cone of silence for good!!
Re: Colonel Krink and 6D9 - Secret Alliance
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Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:39 pmby bamage
Agent 86 wrote:Agent is now in the cone of silence for good!!