Conquer Club

These are suspected Multis

Suspect users: ferry, Touareg and Tikope

Edit #1: Also seems like Gerrit plays a lot with ferry.
Edit #2: Added Rosebut.

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=595455

Comments: I'm fairly new to this stuff, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm being paranoid. Just thought it kinda odd that both Touareg, Tikope and Gerrit seem to serve in helping ferry win. Check their latest games.

Frop

All four are also from the Netherlands. Bit hard to tell what's going to happen in the game you posted though, as it's only the first round, and only two players have taken their turn.

debra79 wrote:All four are also from the Netherlands. Bit hard to tell what's going to happen in the game you posted though, as it's only the first round, and only two players have taken their turn.

Yeah, they're all from the Netherlands and they all registered within one week I think. They often take turns with set intervals between them (+/- 20 min) to prolly make it less obvious. They seem to mimic other examples I've seen on this forum where one or more fake accounts are used to serve the (paying) main account.

There's indeed nothing happening yet in the game I posted, but I'd like to see this sorted out before they get the points of me and the other 2 unsuspecting players. I wouldn't be surprised if they're all using the same IP.

even if they are multi´s they are still in your game... cant be helped

debra79 wrote:All four are also from the Netherlands. Bit hard to tell what's going to happen in the game you posted though, as it's only the first round, and only two players have taken their turn.

2007-07-06 11:08:52 - Frop receives 3 armies for 5 territories
(...)
2007-07-06 15:42:51 - Touareg gets a card

You can see that I first successfully grabbed a country in Europe so that ferry wouldn't get his bonus. For some reason Touareg deployed his armies on Afghanistan and started bashing Ukraine until it was down from 7 to 3 armies. It's ferry's turn right now and this way he won't have any trouble getting Europe back.

very wierd move, unless he did autoattack i cant imagine anything else but cheating

Also their borders are unprotected if they are bordering each other..

SirSebstar wrote:very wierd move, unless he did autoattack i cant imagine anything else but cheating

Autoattack or not, what interested could he have in deploying so many armies just to downsize my stack in the Ukraine? He could've easily gotten a card and fortify a bit.

Um dustn, you're using the exact same quote that I'm using in my sig
Yeah does sound ridiculous to me if they aren't multis or secretly allied.
Frop: As I said in my pm, I'm not a mod, so I don't have any say over what happens to these accounts, so there's no point messaging me It didn't bother me, I just didn't want you to get the wrong impression about my role on CC. I'm just another gamer like you. No special powers like the legend, Fireside Poet

I'm nearly beat in a game that had both Touareg and Ferry. I don't think this game alone is enough for a multi bust, but perhaps it would help others. I looked back in the game log and Touareg attacked Ferry once (on his first turn). Touareg primarily broke mine and blue's bonuses without breaking green's. I asked why he attacked me again when green was set to get a lot more armies than I would, and he provided a reason that I don't understand.

Here is the link to the game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=562602

I wouldn't put up a complaint based on this game alone, but I figured I would throw in any evidence that would either convict or exonerate.

I've also added RoseBut to this thread, seems like yet another user recently created to play games with, you guessed it, ferry.

Suspects: ferry, Touareg and Tikope
Verdict: Touareg busted with Tikope, Gerrit, RoseBut, Suzuki for multiple accounts.

The mentioned names
Tikope, Gerrit, RoseBut, Suzuki and Touareg are Dutch lads all between 15 and 18 years old.
Touareg introduced them with Conquerclub.
They wanne play with each other and search each other in several games because theywanne play with and against each other.
They are all blocked and very fustrated.
Those guys are away from the street and that is good, i am afraid they gonna go to the street again by blokking them off from the game.
I do not understand that you all are talking to each other like this, so i wanne ask the staff of Conquerclub to sort this out and stop this against the guys.
I already mailed to them that they have to join games with other players, but they wanne play with and against each other.....that is the hard thing...
So again stop talking about them, it is not nice to do.

brgds

Ferry

ferry wrote:The mentioned names
Tikope, Gerrit, RoseBut, Suzuki and Touareg are Dutch lads all between 15 and 18 years old.
Touareg introduced them with Conquerclub.
They wanne play with each other and search each other in several games because theywanne play with and against each other.
They are all blocked and very fustrated.
Those guys are away from the street and that is good, i am afraid they gonna go to the street again by blokking them off from the game.
I do not understand that you all are talking to each other like this, so i wanne ask the staff of Conquerclub to sort this out and stop this against the guys.
I already mailed to them that they have to join games with other players, but they wanne play with and against each other.....that is the hard thing...
So again stop talking about them, it is not nice to do.

brgds

Ferry

The guy has been busted as a multi, why should the mods want to be "nice" to him?
Similar with him being out "on the street", why does that mean that he should get special treatment?
Do you have proof, do you have a picture of all four people in a street you can show us?

I do not have access to all the information on the other games, and simply reading the log on a game is not enough to make a determination on the attempted stragtegies within, so looking at those attacks, who attacked who and when does not always give a clear picture.

The game I am currently in (595465) with Gerrit and Ferry I have not seen any favoritism between the players and in fact Ferry has taken one turn where he went out of his way to break up Gerrit's bonus. And this was two rounds before anything was posted in our game about possible multi's.

ferry wrote:The mentioned names
Tikope, Gerrit, RoseBut, Suzuki and Touareg are Dutch lads all between 15 and 18 years old.
Touareg introduced them with Conquerclub.
They wanne play with each other and search each other in several games because theywanne play with and against each other.
They are all blocked and very fustrated.
Those guys are away from the street and that is good, i am afraid they gonna go to the street again by blokking them off from the game.
I do not understand that you all are talking to each other like this, so i wanne ask the staff of Conquerclub to sort this out and stop this against the guys.
I already mailed to them that they have to join games with other players, but they wanne play with and against each other.....that is the hard thing...
So again stop talking about them, it is not nice to do.

brgds

Ferry

Why did you wait until AFTER their verdict to post this??

Hats off to conquerclub if it is the only line of defense to keep hooligans 'off the streets'. :P

Do you have proof, do you have a picture of all four people in a street you can show us?

Yes, i would love to see a picture of this
quickly go pull 4 people and pose them in the street

I joined conquerclub on request of my son.

I played several games with him and some other dutch guys.
I introduced Touareg to this game and so he did with other boys.

Since then it is for them honour to play a game with the father from a friend of them.

I am glad that the boys found a hobby that can't harm anything or anyone.
but since yesterday they got the stamp on their forehead with 'CHEATER' on it.
My mailbox is full now with fustrating boys who react on this.

My opinion is that we must tell the boys how to play the game in stead of accusing them....they can't defend them selves !!

reaction to some written earlier

JoeCorden:Similar with him being out "on the street", why does that mean that he should get special treatment? --> Absolutely NOT but talking to the persons involved will help !!

Frop: They often take turns with set intervals between them (+/- 20 min) to prolly make it less obvious.-->The reason that they play qiuck next to each other is that they play behind one computer.

I do have a serious problem against The Fall Guy.
He is accusing me (personal) for 'CHEATER' .
In every game he mentioned this to other players
My name is harmed this way, that is something i won't accept
He wrote this also to Dutch players who absolutely not involved !!?/
In my opinion this is discrimination !!

I see conquerclub as a companies game and play with fun
Since yesterday a bit of my fun is gone.....

I am a father of three kids and have my hands full with them and it seems my family increased with 5 more !!

I hope that this will stop the accusations to each other..

brgds to all

dude, get your arse over to the dutch community. you got some explaining to do. In english you are not succeding so far, maybe we can help.
post here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 047#570047

thanks in advance

Fireside Poet wrote:Suspects: ferry, Touareg and Tikope
Verdict: Touareg busted with Tikope, Gerrit, RoseBut, Suzuki for multiple accounts.

Fireside Poet, seeing that Ferry was NOT busted, could you remove him from the subjectline? Thanks in advance

pm sent

Ferry,

You know maybe you're claims are correct, maybe they're not. There are thousands of people who play here and THEIR fun is constantly being ruined by people using multiple accounts who cheat.

The surveillance of that issue is EXCELLENT here. Better than any other place I have ever played.

If they want to play the game...they should go to the library and each play on their own computer with seperate IP addresses. I imagine they have libraries in Holland, or Sweden, or wherever you are at.

Stop blaming the mods here. They are the best. They are doing their job.

Would the library internetcomputers those guys use not have the same ip? I know my local Library uses only one ip adress.

Beside, nobody knows how the appeal is going, all ferry did was comment on the fact that be got branded as a cheat when he is not, and that he gets pm from the guys who got nailed even though they are not multies..
I dont know if those guys had some kind of understanding with eachother, but that would merit a block. I dont know all the facts. we will see how it all turns out.

I would expect the multi accounts to be blocked and removed from CC if they are found guilty, but since they can still play, the verdict can't be final. I hate vigilante justice and I'd wish we would all let staff do their work. Or am I completely wrong and the word busted in the post is the end of all?

disk wrote:You know maybe you're claims are correct, maybe they're not. There are thousands of people who play here and THEIR fun is constantly being ruined by people using multiple accounts who cheat.

The fact that there are cheaters can not, no, never, no matter what, be an excuse to bust an innocent player.

I was in a game with ferry, Touareg, Tikope and Frop. Their play was suspicious enough for me, that I did check what other games they play and did also consider the possibility of them being a multi. On the other hand ferry wasn't included by Fireside Poet and his explanation why they played the way they did does make sense. I'll remain The Undecided until the staff says more.

To ferry: Once I know the final verdict, if you are guilty of supporting the cheaters I hope you die a slow and painful death , but if not I'd be happy to play another game with the boys . (Hopefully I do have something to teach them.)

disk wrote:If they want to play the game...they should go to the library and each play on their own computer with seperate IP addresses.

I don't think sharing the IP address is an issue if the staff is informed in advance.

recruit M signing out

I think it's a weak excuse and it's just such a nice coincidence we're running into such a tearjerker story. I even asked simple stuff in this game.

2007-07-04 00:15:30 - Frop: gl everybody
2007-07-04 00:16:46 - Frop: you two know eachother, ferry and touareg?
2007-07-04 00:19:46 - Frop: oh, and tikope

And nobody even bothers to answer. Never mind that "your" gaming behaviour is far from clean as you can clearly see in the game and chat logs.