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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Peter Gibbons on Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:34 pm

To explain my thinking a little bit...

I resisted when I first hatched this idea, but I do think Russia needs to be broken up for gameplay purposes. Any other system just isn't going to work.

I don't think Japan needs to be broken up. It shouldn't be its own bonus region and if we break it up and include it with any other region, it will be too unwieldy. Having one Japan territory and connecting it to the Kamchatka Peninsula and South Korea should work well.

I want to have at least one small bonus region. Hence the Holy Land and including both Palestinian regions. Maybe it needs to be done as an inset.

Northern Cyprus isn't in Asia technically, but it can work as a connecting point to Turkey and Israel. It would unlock some of the clutter.

I like the idea of keeping Malaysia as one territory in two different places and keeping it part of the bonus structure on the mainland. It will provide for unique gameplay, as it will be an automatic connecting point to Borneo and Brunei. Plus, Brunei will be an exclave to the Islands region. Could be very interesting in a fog of war game.

The "Indonesia" territory would over all islands not separately included. Part of me thinks we should ditch Bali and include that in the catch-all territory, but we can debate that.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby natty dread on Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:14 am

I've taken on another new job (I won't even try to explain my career


A jack of all trades? ;)

That would give us 61 territories if I've done the math right. I don't know what the optimum starting figures are off-hand, but we can adjust with starting neutrals if need be.


The nearest optimal numbers are 59 and 66. I think it'd be best to go with 59, and have 2 or 3 territories start neutral.

As for your territories, I'd have to see it in a map, I think visually therefore it's hard for me to really comprehend how the map would look from your text alone.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Unit_2 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:20 am

I like this idea and map so far, but I would suggest adding in the surroundings to make it feel more realistic.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby SultanOfSurreal on Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:31 am

I think Russia should be a single territory -- all the countries should be one territory.

And if you make Russia a single territory, you get sort of a two-fer -- it means you can omit depicting most of Russia's north and instead show only part of Russia at the top of the map, leaving more room for the other territories.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby skeletonboy on Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:41 am

As for hong kong, vatican city was separated from italy in europa
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Evil DIMwit on Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:53 am

Peter Gibbons wrote:ISLANDS: Brunei, Borneo, Sumatra, Bali, Java, East Timor, New Guinea, Indonesia, Philippines (9 territories)

By 'Borneo' I presume you mean Indonesian Borneo (or Kalimantan). Bali is part of the Lesser Sunda Islands. With Sumatra, Java, Western New Guinea, Sulawesi, and the Maluku Islands you get the main regions of Indonesia as listed in Wikipedia. That's 7. Brunei, East Timor, and the Philippines make 10 for this region, and 62 (or 63) for the whole map.

SultanOfSurreal wrote:I think Russia should be a single territory -- all the countries should be one territory.

And if you make Russia a single territory, you get sort of a two-fer -- it means you can omit depicting most of Russia's north and instead show only part of Russia at the top of the map, leaving more room for the other territories.


Merging Russia into one territory brings your territory count down to 57-59 (depending on whether you change Indonesia and/or add Kashmir). That's a safe territory number, without starting anything neutral.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Peter Gibbons on Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:45 pm

skeletonboy wrote:As for hong kong, vatican city was separated from italy in europa

But Hong Kong is no longer sovereign. Vatican City is an independent state.

As for the Russia debate, I think that needs to be a focus right now. I leaned toward making it one territory initially, but now I think I see the benefit of Russia being its own bonus region with several territories included. If we make Russia one territory, there are some major connection issues and what do we do about it insofar as a bonus region?

What do people think?
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Evil DIMwit on Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:50 pm

What are the connection issues you're seeing with keeping Russia in one piece?
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Peter Gibbons on Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:47 pm

Well, you're going to have one territory that borders 7 different territories (if you connect to Japan, which I think you must). And those 7 different territories are likely going to be in at least 3 different bonus regions. So if you keep Russia as a single territory, which bonus region will it fall in? I don't think there's a satisfactory answer to that.

So would we keep it a +1 autodeploy? If we do that, on such a large map (~60 territories), one person could claim Russia early and build on it--particularly in 4-player games or fewer. You'd get the +1 and an additional 5 or so armies. So before anyone would card (I'm thinking flat rate here), you could have around 20 armies on Russia and it would be able to deny three of the bonus regions on the board permanently.

In effect, it's not so much a connection issue per se. It's the fact that there's no real way to make Russia the territory that doesn't dominate the map. But, then again, maybe we want that...
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby MrBenn on Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:57 pm

Like Mr Gibbons, I've been strapped for time over the past month - I've managed to get half of the basic image done; and present that now only to try and provoke further discussion...

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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Rih0 on Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:18 pm

Maybe china and india should be separated from hose islands in the south
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:09 pm

I think the white region ought to be separated into Indian subcontinent, Southeast asia and Far East (China and Japan). But judging by the look of things, that area might not be even near done just yet.

I think the map is going ot have to get a bit bigger... Zoom in and sacrifice the northern coast of Russia and perhaps give it a slight tilt to accommodate the shape better.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby natty dread on Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:54 am

It seems to me that europe and scandinavia have no reason to be on an Asia map... you could maybe tilt and zoom in a bit, to leave them out.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:43 am

natty_dread wrote:It seems to me that europe and scandinavia have no reason to be on an Asia map... you could maybe tilt and zoom in a bit, to leave them out.


I'm guess those areas are the non-playable areas.
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Re: A New Asia Map

Postby natty dread on Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:57 am

isaiah40 wrote:
natty_dread wrote:It seems to me that europe and scandinavia have no reason to be on an Asia map... you could maybe tilt and zoom in a bit, to leave them out.


I'm guess those areas are the non-playable areas.


All the more reason to show a smaller portion of them. Leaves more room for the actual playing area :)
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