Conquer Club

Hi Helix,

Your new squiggly borders look much better that the old ones since I last popped in. The map feels better to look at now. I myself have no glaring major issues, but I do have alot of little issues with small details here and there. I won't burden you with them all, just some .

Firstly I don't like the railway lines, they interact with the borders to much and I feel they could cause confusion during gameplay. I would suggest making something more rail like, as cairnswk done in his rail europe, afria, usa and australia. Like this image and make them some shade of grey so they stand out from the border:



Also on many of you coastal/river borders you have these secondary lines, usually in the water (i.e. around crimea) which don't look right. I know what it is your trying to do, but it doesn't work. Plus with the amount going on in this map graphically I don't really think you need these extra squiggles across the map. I would suggest removing them altogether.

Industrial Helix wrote:Yes to the city symbol.
As for altering the bonus for the Baltics, I don't want it to become a huge staging place for an attack on Poland and Ukraine. It wasn't like that in the war, and that's what I'm sticking to.

Thanks for the feedback!

I understand your Baltics idea

agree with gimil about secondary lines - line under text Taurida...

the railway from Kharkov to Rostov would goes over north and cross border between Kharkovski and Don Cossacks because now it crosses border between Taurida and Don Cossacks - this border is short and railway a little cluttered it.

Well, as for the rails, I'm settled on them, though I took bastards suggestion. I also clone stamped out the extra water lines. Also included in this update is the small map.

EDIT: Ah crap, I forgot to put the city symbol in the legend. Next update then.

I miss colors! Think it's a good theme but there's too little passion and colors in the map!

I don't know whether it is the plethora of 888s or if it is dominant black color on the map, but my eyes say too much is going on in a densely clustered sort of way, and then I want to look away.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:I don't know whether it is the plethora of 888s or if it is dominant black color on the map, but my eyes say too much is going on in a densely clustered sort of way, and then I want to look away.


--Andy

If so, would having the cities down the side of the map be better (of course it would mean a few extra pixels), and less "cluttered" looking?

I disagree about needing colours. This is very close to the appearence of maps from this period in history. I personally like the way it looks, it fits very nicely with the theme of the map.

IH. i haven't posted in here recently so i apologise...but i do agree with Andy about the intensity of the black.
I won't hold it against you , but i do prefer the colours from V7.
Can i ask if you have any basic xml done yet. If so, would you be able to put up a quick small map with the colours of the 88s or 888s on it to see how it would look on the drop, particularly the small version.

The center of the map hurts the eye! The thickness of the rail makes it very difficult to see borders creating a general confusion. I think the map is a bit too pale as well. I don't get the feeling of a war being fought but that's just my preference I guess!

I still think you should make the rails weaker.

I mean, the rails will do their job as long as you can see which city connects which - they don't have to be a prominent element on the map. The borders, on the other hand, are paramount in enabling the player to visualize the connections between the territories, so I think they should be the stronger element.

But this is just my opinion...

I do like the look, it might be a decent idea to see if the color could be a tad stronger. Yeah the 888's are really making the map look at it's worst. We know the 888's fit, let's just see it with the 2's and go from there.

The main problem is the rail! It's too thick, I know it's supposed to take center stage but it does that at the expense of harmony! You have to look real hard to see where the territories borders are when you've got that thick line covering all of it! If you don't want to change the width of the rail maybe you could give it another color? Dark red?? Right now it's causing this map to look a lot harder to read than it really is! Also I don't like how the rivers look! There's something with them but I can't put the finger on it !

just to help in this rail issue
have you considered putting some reddish tint in it
so it would be enough different from the borders

in the legend, the polish border one-way attacks minsk. is it the intention that the polish border one-way attacks minsk oblast, but not the city itself?

vladamir ought to be vladimir. u had changed it on a previous version. however, the error has somehow crept back.

ian.

just a heads up and sort of update: i was living in japan and then woke up to a giant headache and left sideparalysis,...it was a massive stroke.. some stranger came to my door unexpectedly and called an ambulance.. he probably saved my life. anyway, i chilled out in the hospital in tokyo for a while then my mom came and brought me home to the usa for treatment, which is where I'm at now... i can give more details when i have two fully functioning hands to type and thenI'll be able to work on the map some more

Oh hi Helix... welcome back

Wow, IH, that must have been terrifying. Good to know you are home with loved ones at hand. Here's hoping your recovery is speedy and your insurance is sufficient!

Wow, that is scary. Hope you get well very soon.

Industrial Helix wrote:just a heads up and sort of update: i was living in japan and then woke up to a giant headache and left sideparalysis,...it was a massive stroke.. some stranger came to my door unexpectedly and called an ambulance.. he probably saved my life. anyway, i chilled out in the hospital in tokyo for a while then my mom came and brought me home to the usa for treatment, which is where I'm at now... i can give more details when i have two fully functioning hands to type and thenI'll be able to work on the map some more

I hope you get better. Good Lord, I can't imagine what it must have felt like. I need to be more thankful for my relatively good health... I hope you have a speedy recovery, Helix.

-Sully

Best of luck to you IH!

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Moved to the recyling box until IH is able to work on this again. Get well soon IH!!

Thanks, hopefully I'll have two working hands soon and be able to finish this.

Ka-kow, Update:



I looked through the thread to try and find what the big issues I was having were
1) the British flag was obscuring the B in British.
2) there needed to be a city icon in the legend.

So I did both those things

Then someone mentioned that all the numbers might be 'asploding their brains with info overload or cluttering up the image... so I did this version sans numbers.

Then I'm going to just use my mod powers to move this on back.

Industrial Helix wrote:Then I'm going to just use my mod powers to move this on back.

Kidding.

One thing I like about the aesthetic of this map---and don't take it the wrong way---is that is has a crayon and drawing sort of feel to it in terms of color application and texture.

I think the areas that are less 'crayon-like' stand out to me then, like: cities on the map, the commander letterboxes, the flags are borderline.

I think pushing the map too far to crayon and drawing and doodle earth is certainly not the way to go, but it seems like a strong element within the map.

Best of luck,


--Andy