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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby MarshalNey on Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:58 pm

Evil DIMwit wrote:The bonus list is getting a bit complicated. What I would do is, rework the white space bonuses so you get:
+2 for each letter in which you hold a white space
+1 for every two subsequent white spaces within the same letter
And no other white space bonus. That way there is a significant motivation to expand to new parts of the map.

You may also want to move "safe zones can assault each other" to where the safe zone icon is at the top of the legend, so the information about each space is grouped neatly.


Agree, but furthermore you might want to move all relevant information by the icons, so that the information about Red 2 is by the Red icon.

While I like the same # idea for being able to 'sneak' bonuses in foggy games, I think Evil makes a good case for keeping the legend simple, while at the same time giving players the carrot that they need to get out and expand.
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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:07 am

I was thinking along the same lines with the legend organization. I suppose I can cut out the +1 per 3 for the white spaces, but I am gonna keep the +3 for the first white space.

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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby MarshalNey on Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:18 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:I was thinking along the same lines with the legend organization. I suppose I can cut out the +1 per 3 for the white spaces, but I am gonna keep the +3 for the first white space.

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Hmmmm... what do you think about EvilD's suggestion of
"+2 for each letter in which you hold a white space"

This condition essentially includes the "+3 for the first white space" except that the bonus is reduced to +2, but it also keeps giving out every time a player takes the 'first white space' in a new letter set.

Also were you thinking of replacing the +1 per 3 white spaces condition with +1 per every two white spaces subsequent to the first (first in the letter set that is) condition?

I guess what I'm asking, do you mean to have the white space bonus like this?

+3 for the first white space
+2 for each letter in which you hold a white space
+1 for every two subsequent white spaces within the same letter
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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:17 pm

Okay, I think I got the white space bonuses figured out. I've gone along with ED's idea a bit, but adjusted the bonus, because +2 seemed a little high to me:

+3 for the first white space
+1 per 2 white spaces in the same letter group
+1 per white space in a different letter group [so basically have this instead of the number bonus]

Sound okay?

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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby MarshalNey on Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:36 am

do you think +1 for a new letter will be enough incentive to expand?
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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:27 am

MarshalNey wrote:do you think +1 for a new letter will be enough incentive to expand?

Yes, I do. +1 for 1 is still a lot better than +1 for 2. +2 just seems overpowered to me.
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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:02 pm

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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:17 pm

I'm confused as to what your red spaces in the legend is saying. So, at the start of each turn, if decays 9999, decays 2, then resets to 5 (in some order)?

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Re: Pachisi! v2.3

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:21 pm

No, red territories ending in that number do that stuff. Do I need to be more clear in the legend?
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Re: Pachisi! v2.4

Postby MarshalNey on Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:43 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:No, red territories ending in that number do that stuff. Do I need to be more clear in the legend?


Perhaps, since you refer to "Red 2" in the last sentence, it seems inconsistent. So you could use "Red 1", "Red 2" and "Red 3" for the descriptions of what they do.

Or, just use '1st Red', '2nd Red', '3rd Red', although that doesn't exactly correlate to the numbering. But it still might be clearer...

Victor Sullivan wrote:Yes, I do. +1 for 1 is still a lot better than +1 for 2. +2 just seems overpowered to me.


OK, fair enough.

By the way, you need to clarify in the White Space legend that the +3 bonus is for the first white space only. Some could misinterpret "+3 for 1" as "+3 per 1".
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Re: Pachisi! v2.4

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:51 pm

MarshalNey wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:No, red territories ending in that number do that stuff. Do I need to be more clear in the legend?


Perhaps, since you refer to "Red 2" in the last sentence, it seems inconsistent. So you could use "Red 1", "Red 2" and "Red 3" for the descriptions of what they do.

Or, just use '1st Red', '2nd Red', '3rd Red', although that doesn't exactly correlate to the numbering. But it still might be clearer...

Victor Sullivan wrote:Yes, I do. +1 for 1 is still a lot better than +1 for 2. +2 just seems overpowered to me.


OK, fair enough.

By the way, you need to clarify in the White Space legend that the +3 bonus is for the first white space only. Some could misinterpret "+3 for 1" as "+3 per 1".

Alright, I sent the changes to Spike.
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Re: Pachisi! v2.4

Postby neanderpaul14 on Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:55 pm

This looks really sharp Victor, BTW this brings me back to my childhood.
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Re: Pachisi! v2.4

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:01 pm

neanderpaul14 wrote:This looks really sharp Victor, BTW this brings me back to my childhood.

Hey, thanks! :) Always nice to hear some encouraging words.
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Re: Pachisi! v2.4

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:19 pm

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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:31 pm

As far as gameplay is concerned, I think we're done, right?

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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby Evil DIMwit on Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:35 am

I'm not sure that +1 for a new letter group is enough, since a player would also have to conquer through a safe zone or two to reach the new group. However, I can save this reservation for beta -- if we see that players don't have much incentive to leave their letter group, you can change it to be +2.

Well, I'm still not sure how this would play but I think I can sticky it now and when the Surveyors take a look at it they can make any suggestions they might have.
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Re: Pachisi! v2.4

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:47 am

Sweet beans and thanks for the sticky! Here is the map again, so we can have it on this page:
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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby Evil DIMwit on Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:24 pm

Looks like nobody has any further suggestions in gameplay, so I think it's about time you move on.

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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby the.killing.44 on Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:50 pm

I cannot read the text on the small map.

Did you just take your large map and resize it?
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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:25 am

Evil DIMwit wrote:Looks like nobody has any further suggestions in gameplay, so I think it's about time you move on.

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Sweet beans and a vial of cornstarch! Thanks!

the.killing.44 wrote:I cannot read the text on the small map.

Did you just take your large map and resize it?

Yes, and I have an idea to fix the readability of the text.

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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:37 pm

Some questions: :)

- The small coloured symbols in the safe zones are just decorative?
- White spaces....the letter group in the legend is referred to the nest letter? And again +1 for 2 white spaces that share the same letter? of your nest or just the same letter?
- Isn't safe zone a strange name?....they don't seem a so safe place. ;)
- Home, do you really need it can assualt nests? Why i need to come out of there if it gives me the victory?

Talking about graphics, i agree with the.killing.44, the text in the small version needs some care.
Could you please post also both versions with 888? (or write a rough xml)

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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby Joodoo on Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:29 am

Awesome map =D>
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And if they dont suck then they blow.

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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:16 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:Some questions: :)

- The small coloured symbols in the safe zones are just decorative?
Yes.
- White spaces....the letter group in the legend is referred to the nest letter? And again +1 for 2 white spaces that share the same letter? of your nest or just the same letter?
Same letter; the bonus has nothing to do with the nests.
- Isn't safe zone a strange name?....they don't seem a so safe place. ;)
They are called Safe Zones because thats what they are called in Pachisi.
- Home, do you really need it can assualt nests? Why i need to come out of there if it gives me the victory?
Just an added effect for Terminator and Assassin games. I suppose with the Red 2 bombardments it may not be necessary, but I think I like it that way ;)
Talking about graphics, i agree with the.killing.44, the text in the small version needs some care.
I agree, Spike is working on it now.
Could you please post also both versions with 888? (or write a rough xml)
I will be working on the XML very soon, so you can preview it that way.

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Re: Pachisi! v2.5

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:17 pm

Joodoo wrote:Awesome map =D>

Good to hear, thanks a bunch! :)
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Re: Pachisi! v2.6

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:35 pm

Okay, updated the small version:
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